We’ve all run into an advert which claims to make you thousands every month by working from home, using their strategies/products, but how many people actually make money, other than those who are actually doing to scamming? I stumble across websites with guys lounging on beach chairs on islands claiming to have made millions, what a load of nonsense! I don’t believe it for a single second!
I performed a Google search for ‘work from home’ and was presented with over a hundred pages of results, which at an average of 10 results per page brings us close on 1000 results all about making money online. Multiply this by say 4 or 5 different search engines and you can see how many scamming websites there are on the Internet, and these are the ones which are actually indexed! How many people click into these things, read the persuasive content and end up pay for more information, only to find themselves getting no where? My guess is thousands of people!
“Earn thousands every month from home” ~ krap
“Drive your dream car” ~ krap
“Live the life you always wanted” ~ krap
Each of these websites manages to have a fantastic list of people who have made thousands through them, with pictures and references ~ how much have these people been paid to do this? Isn’t this a sort of fraud?
The part which bugs me most is that there is no way of stopping these things. Making money online with Adsense, for example, or PayPerPost is the real deal – Proper reputable companies with a basis which is worth trusting, anything else is pure scam and too many people don’t realise this.
I often feel that I would like to make a website, where each time I come across one of these scams, I would make a post about it ~ and hopefully many people would reach it and realise that it’s all nonsense. It would be a great source for those looking to make money the easy realiase that you can’t make money the easy way!
I would actually love to talk to someone who has signed up for one of these programs and actually made anything off them and more specifically made money after the first month of signing up, because if I was to do a scam like this, I would make sure those people who sign up make a killing in the first month and then from the second month onwards I would make sure that I cover all costs ten fold, and I’m sure this is exactly what happens! Imagine you sign up for a service and in the first month you make several grand, the chances are that you will tell all your friends about it, so they will sign up and then do the same, each person realising in month 2 that they have been scammed.
This is something I read on the Mail & Guardian website a few months ago about work from home scams being illegal..
Advertisements offering certain work-from-home opportunities are now illegal, said the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) on Wednesday.
The ASA welcomed the regulation, which was issued by the Department of Trade and Industry.
“The regulation makes various work-from-home ‘opportunities’ illegal. These include opportunities to ‘fill envelopes’ and ‘type labels’ — two scams against which the ASA has issued various rulings,” said the ASA in a statement.
“Consumers are reminded that if they see ads of this type, they can lodge complaints with the ASA on complaint@asasa.org.za or fax 011 781 1616.”
Take action people, when you come across one of these websites, report the people, get these silly scams offline, so people who are actually trying to do things correctly can rank better on search engines and receive more traffic!
PROGRAMS WHICH WORK: With many years of experience, there are some programs which actually do work. I’ve used these two programs to earn money online successfully:
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| Google Adsense is a form of advertising, where you place adverts on your website, which change according to the content you write. For example, if you write about sharks, your visitors will see shark related adverts. Google Adsense pay by cheque, which means you can be anywhere in the world! | |
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| TrafficSynergy – Click here to sign up | |
| TrafficSynergy is similar to Google Adsense, except that you can choose banners to place as well as their sizes and topics. I’ve successfully made a great deal of money using TrafficSynergy! | |
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| OfferForge – Click here to sign up | |
| OfferForge is identical to TrafficSynergy, but has a number of different revenue streams. I’ve been successful in the past using OfferForge! | |
As you can see from the pictures above, I’ve successfully made money with these programs!
I totally agree with you Chris… Nothing but a BIG SCAM…
The only way to make money online working from home would be through paid advertising on blogs, adsense, trafficsynergy, adbrite, Pay Per post, Smorty, etc..
I’ve earned money from all the above :)
I’ll back you up on this one by reposting any scam I come across
What’s most funny and ironic about this whole thing, is if you look at the adsense adverts on this page.. they are all about ‘Working From Home’, guess we’ll have to click them and then report them ;)
Christopher, there’s nothing new about the sort of “work from home†biz ops that populate the internet. If you go back and look at the history of print publishing, you’ll see books and magazines about making money from home were being published back in Victorian times. That’s because there always has been, and always will be, a demand for information on this topic. And of course, many of the work-from-home scams that were common in magazines for decades have merely migrated onto the internet. Stuffing envelopes, for example, has been popular since the 1920’s. That’s not to say all work-from-home ideas are scams. As a professional journalist, I’ve made my living working from home for more than 20 years. What is a scam is the message that operating from home and using the internet as a marketing medium is inherently easy and requires no effort. To prosper in any profession requires serious effort and commitment. I and many of my clients make good money from the internet. And we all work hard, something I touch on in my article “Easy Money? Don’t Make Me Laugh†which can be read here:
theinternetwizards.com/A-easymoney.htm
Its true that it is hard to make money online, but there are people who make an incredible income online, these people follow a system, on top of that persistance is key as well, they say it takes a while to generate revenue online, but the more time you spend on it the more results start showing up, its a numbers game, in the beginging you put all your time and effort and noting, as time goes by, then you start seeing results, its pretty much like planting a seed, it takes time before you can harvest the fruit. I personally am doing internet marketing, I have tried so many methods and very little results and finally I start seeing improvement, I started with a few cents of revenue, now its getting to the dollars, soon thousand and millions if I don’t give up. If you would like to get more info on what I do market send me and email or simply visit my site, it is still going through a few finishing touches. Hope to here from you!!
@Bonnie – I am well aware of the potential for using the Internet as a money making machine, in fact, I earn more from my websites than I do from my salary, so don’t get me wrong, I’m well aware. I just don’t believe in these work from home scenarios where you have to pay an upfront amount to be able to continue ~ that’s nonsense in my opinion of course. I will take a look at your article, thank you for commenting on this topic!
@joel – I totally agree with those people who say that making money online takes time and your metaphor with a planting a seed is dead accurate! I will pop on over to your site and we can have a chat.
Thanks for the comments peeps!
An i dont need no bigger.. you know!
lol
great blog!
Thanks s c tan. Removed your link obviously – no spamming here :)
pse advise when you find a home bus that works.thank you.
I would like to hear about your comment on richlife with warren lake – is it worth the try or just another scam – please reply via email.
BELLA – I’m not familiar with that program. I did a Google search and couldn’t find too much information, perhaps you could enlighten me a little and I could do some research?
Hi Chris
His website is http://www.richlife.co.za/demo.asp
This is a presentation that you can listen to online – this is all I have for now.
Thanks.
Thanks BELLA, I will take a look this evening when I have a chance and see what it’s all about :)
i have no idea whether reading your blessing was a blessing or a curse.
i have a very seriour shortfall and i was thinking about trying those work from home promises, when i came across your article, now i am so confused i do not know what to do. Don’t you think it is better try incase it works?
Poline – look, there are ones which have worked in the past, but I would really make sure you cover all your bases and make sure you read everything thoroughly before paying anything or signing up!
I heard that the ‘Reverse Funnel System’ was a decent program, but don’t quote me on that please :)
Good luck with your ventures Poline!
hey there! U know what? I’m a at home mom and i have nothing to do at home. I wanted to sign up for these work from home stuff but u just make me think twice!!!! Please can u tell me wich of these aren’t scams. I really need to do something from and if I can make money while doing something, why not? please send me an email with the adresses. With regards
Linda
Hi linda,
Honestly, I don’t have a list of programs which work. I’ve only ever heard nightmares from people with regards to making money online and being scammed in the process.
My advice would be to make sure that you understand everything involved in the system before paying. See, most of these programs can work, but require so much effort from the users side, you basically need a marketing department to execute them!
As I told poline, the ‘Reverse Funnel System’ apparently does work..
hi Chris,
thank you for the response on my e-mail. I will make sure of the details before I pay anything. thak you for people like u. have a great day ;-)
I meant THANK YOU!!!!!
Sure thing linda, just be careful and you’ll come out on top!
How exactly do these work from home things work? Each website I go to seems to ask me to buy a package training kit. But I’d like to know what businesses are involved. Help??
That’s my point exactly Michael, in my opinion, they don’t work and 99% of them are scams!
Hi Chris,
I have just signed up with “Quicksurvey” where they have given me access to a data base where i am able to register with companies that pay people like me to par-take in surveys of various kinds. I have registered with 30 different companies and it has been two days – lets see what happens? will keep you posted.
Ah, thanks for reporting back, I look forward to hearing how things work!
I just lost my Job and would now like to work from home.
what is the safest an dmost trustworthy site to go to.
Sorry to hear that Raven, I hope you manage to find a site which works for you.
Adsense and TrafficSynergy are probably the safest bets :)
Thank you very much for your responds.
I will definitely look at the sites you suggested.
Once again THANK YOU
Raven
Sure thing Raven, all the best with the ventures forward!
Hi Chris
Not everything is a scam. I personally am involved in two network marketing businesses that are doing very well and they are definitely not scams. It is a good thing to do some research about a company before you join though.
I also just want to make your visitors aware of a site that offers nothing but scams: http://www.hbiz.co.za
This is your typical type from home and get paid, enter data and make millions, etc,etc. They actually have a new scam out now that tell you that you can make kezillions as a survey administrator.
Stay far away from these people and any offers like this. These ads have been classed as illegal by the Department of Trade and Industry. I have reported their site. If you would like to have them close down shop, please join me in emailing complaint@asasa.org
about their site.
Hi Joan,
I’m very aware that not all programs are a scam, but to find the programs which aren’t a scam are is usually very tricky and most people end up being caught by scams.
I’ve made thousands and thousands by running online marketing websites which things such as Adsense, TrafficSynergy, etc. so I’m well aware of these system, but I’d say that there are plenty more scams than there are actual working programs..
Hi,
I’ve been caught out twice, paying for a program only to find that what I paid for was not as per the initial advertised website.
I have not tried again (1 year now). I have a full time job, but would like to supplement my income. I guess you have to do your homework very well, as suggested by most on this forum.
Hi all – i would just like to say that i did subscribe to richlife and its something that could work for you.its marketing on the net and thats all im saying – you can subscribe to them and read the material for yourself – your money is refundable should you not want to do this kind of work – good luck
Hi Chris, I appreciate you warning people of scams on the internet – boy oh boy – there are many!! Just a pitty that you place everyone under the same umbrella – as there are good opportunities out there that can help especially women earn extra income so they can stay at home and see their kids grow up..or maybe help a household earn extra R5000-R6000pm that they desperatly need! You are welcome to check out our website. We mainly focus on helping woman, we give lots of information for free – in the form of videos (need ADSL) – so that even if she doesn’t join us – she will be aware of some serious statistics. Because the info is for free – we obviously fund our advertising ourselves. I won’t waste money in that way on scamming…would you??
I just get so annoyed, because there are a lot of people who need work and would do next to anything to meet the bills and they are the ones who get prayed on by these evil programs!
Prayed on?? Seriously Chris – get all your facts before you throw accusations around about ‘evil’ programs! Your cynicism surpasses your intelligence. Yes – a lot of people need work…in SA…can You possibly offer people work to meet their bills? You don’t need to worry – you “have a huge love for fashion, wining and dining, aquariums and general socializing” – that costs lots of money…
Uhm, I think you have misunderstood what I was saying.
What I was saying is.. there are so many programs on the Internet which promise things, but end up not delivering. Furthermore, I said that it annoys me that it’s often the people who are most in need that get fooled.
Does that clear things up? If not, then you clearly don’t understand my intellectual reasoning ;)
I agree totally but does anyone know of one work from home business that does work.
I don’t know any, and I’ve dug through a great deal of them! I think some of them can work, but they all require upfront payments and then you need a collection of marketing tools and skills to actually get them working :/
The idea that you can earn money on-line has probably been around for as long as the line itself. Something in the wind makes me doubt that the traditional methods will last much longer, though.
I’ve seen more scams than I’ve seen legit opportunities. And there’s a pyramid scam about to hit the South African market, in the form of a site called “lifechanger”.
You basically join and pay a monthly fee. And then you get people to join in your downline, and get paid for that – up to four levels. I’ve tried to contact the admins of the program, but they don’t respond to emails. The programmer told me that there was a way to make money other than refer people, but he was very vague about it.
I’m a little worried that this thing gets too successful. The problem with the design is that it’s a bottomless pyramid – everyone HAS to refer someone else in order to make enough just to stay in the program. So what happens when there’s no one left who wants to join? Flame out.
And that’s why pyramid schemes make the initiators a lot of money, and let the rest down. I wouldn’t be surprised to see many more like it hit the scene after launch.
If you can find the time, maybe you should set up a scam warning site, Chris. With level headed facts, heh. And not just online scams, but offline scams too, like Herbalife. Who knows how many people would benefit?
~ Wogan
Hi Wogan,
I definitely agree that there are more scams and legitimate programs. I must say.. a number of these programs can work, but only if you’re an equipped marketing person. The down stream system is probably the most popular, and unfortunately, getting hundreds of downstream members doesn’t lead to payout either, these people then need to market and make money, you will only make money if someone downstream does, that’s how these programs last, there’s no expense.
It’s not a bad idea, a website which researches each program and posts then one by one, linking out to programs under affiliate codes – lol, reverse engineering on the web :P
Thanks for the comment mate, good to see that someone else is on my level with all of this!
Be warned that these adverts saying Data Capturer/Typist are also a scam. Once you pay them a fee, they send you info on how to place ads on the internet, exactly like theirs. You basically have to advertise the position for Data Capturer/Typist on the internet. Once someone contacts you, they pay you a fee & then you give them the info you were given. They basically teach you how to go forward and scam other internet uses. You then make money by scaming people as well.
Alison – That’s exactly what I was trying to tell everyone, thanks for backing me up!
All these places are dodgy and learning something is near impossible, they all require previous knowledge and an initial deposit :/
Thanks for popping in and sharing!
Hi Guys, It is great to have so many people discussing what I do! If you would like to chat to me, my number is 082-859-5447 (South Africa). I have been doing this for the last 6 years (my wife joined me 4 years ago) and this is all we do – it has given me the priviledge of spending the first 30 months of my sons life with him every day, working from our beautiful home – this opportunity has been all I ever wished for. I welcome your comments / reponses / concerns etc!
Cheers
Warren
Warren, perhaps you would spend some time writing a description of what exactly you do? Richlife.. but explain it more in details here and give the readers something useful to read, perhaps a short case study on yourself and your success?
Hi Chris, thanks for suggesting I explain a little about what I do.
The opportunty enables people to create but active and passive income on either a Part-Time or Full-Time basis. We have a product line which is supplied by a company listed on the NYSE (
Hi Chris, thanks for suggesting I explain a little about what I do.
The opportunty enables people to create but active and passive income on either a Part-Time or Full-Time basis. We have a product line which is supplied by a company listed on the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange) and is approved as a ligitimate business in 65 countries around the world.
You may as why I don’t speak of the company name – well, this is quite simple. There is a stack of opinion in the marketplace, and we have found it beneficial to make a decision based on fact as opposed to opinion. We have a Decision Package which explains the opportunity in details (Industry, Company, Products, Compensation Plan etc etc), and is designed to enable a person to make an informed decision as opposed to an opinionated decision. The R215 deposit is refundable, and I believe Bella who commented earlier in this conversation is a person who can confirm this.
I personally came across the opportunity 8 years ago, and due to opinion, decided it was most definately not suited to me. Fortunately, 2 years later, I came across it again – but this time I was presented with a Decision Package. I did the research and got started straight away.
I had a mentor who showed me how to do the business and exposure to an amazing support structure.
If a person follows all the steps and is teachable, success is very possible. Obviously it cannot be guaranteed, however if a person does all the things they are meant to do, and stick to the ethics of the company, they will succeed.
Like any legitimate business, people are unlikely to make masses of income in the start-up phase – it is not a ‘Get Rich Quick Scheme’, however it is the average persons best chance of becoming financially successful.
Hope this helps, and I welcome any concerns or comments.
Cheers
Warren Lake
Hello Everyone.
It was very interesting to read your comments all. Positive and negative about work from home business. I am very glad to inform you that I found one true work from home after I was a victim of a work from home scam.
I work from home by selling these products and the first month that is March I started with this I earned myself a profit of R5 000.00 This month I intend earning R14 000.00.
I have two businesses in one.
The first one is sell the products shapetolivelong.net
and
the other one is sell the business itself (freelife4eva.net).
I make a lot of money eaither way. Have you heard about killing two birds with one stone. I think I will be resigning soon to look well after my business and my clients. By the way I am an Administration Manager at one of the biggest owned by government companies and I earn R15 000. Soon I will be earning R300 000.00 per month.
Cheers
Phyllis suggested a work from home bussiness that works. What is the name?
Isn’t it in the comment above what you wrote..
I have joined the data to data team and have actually made money which is paid over monthly into my account.If you want to become a reseller hop onto the site
http://www.jcfax.co.za and register at the bottom as a reseller. it really works.
It does take a bit of work initially building a database but I concentrate on
friends,new companies etc. to buid the database and have over a 1000 now.
Please share some more information with us about how you got things going Chris?
Hi Leo and others
I am very sorry to be replying to you now. I don’t visit this site so often. The other day when I made acomment I just pamped against this site. I don’t really have time. My two home businesses are taking a lot of time. http://www.freelife4eva.net is my home business and http://www.shapetolivelong.net. Good luck.
Hi Warren and Leo
Warren I am so proud of you my brother and I envy you. You and I seem to be in the same business and I only started my business in March 2008. I wish I had started this 10 years ago, but I guess I was not ready then. Thank you for you had time to put everything into perspective to most people. I am still in training I hope to see you in Barcelona in June. My business is doing very dispite the hectiveness of my full time job as I am still doing this business part time.
cheers
One of the best and most profitable ways to work online from home is to do MLM. Many people consider multi level marketing or network marketing to be a scam, or they say that it does not work. Well the reason that it does not work for most people is because most people go about it in the wrong way. Have a look at my blog post ‘The Truth about MLM’ and you will see what I mean.
http://www.affluentdivinity.com/2008/04/the-truth-about.html
There are many MLM companies out there, many many are great, I believe that if you work hard and you know how the MLM business works then you can become successful in ANY MLM company, however I have decided only to stick with one, which is the best. If you want more information about it please email me at david{at]sfimga{dot}com.
Hi Phyllis
Yip, you will be seeing me in Barcelona in June, so we are obviously working the same business.
Please remember that you will always be in training – the day you say you know everything is the day your business will start to go backwards!
Just remember to do the basics every day.
Cheers
Hi Dave
I agree totally with what you have said RE all MLM’s work and RE sticking to one.
Thanks for you rlink – I will check it out later.
Cheers
Warren
Great site Chris M
Well like all of us you try and try again , only to run into spammers and
brickwalls all the time.Upon my exploration to find a site or Company that would give a guarenteed income I was made aware of the potential fax to mail market that is very underutilized at this point.I stand to be corrected but we might be looking at about 60 percent of people with access to e mail. My website
http://www.jcfax.co.za is now set up to take on resellers and like David says ready for
MLM.The Sky is the Limit David.
Like to hear from you guys
Thanks
Hi, Joan
would you mind sharing the info with me on the site that works for you?
Please send me the website address which works for you.
Thank you
Hi, Adriaan thanks for asking.
Just go to http://www.jcfax.co.za and scroll to the bottom.you
can then register as a reseller and earn 15 cents per minute.
Thanks
@Chris – please just be careful here, I don’t want my readers running off to website, signing up and finding out that they don’t work. Please bare this in mind for me mate :)
I have to agree most of these sites is a scam, I came across a site that you don’t have to pay an upfront amount. The training and information you need is provided free. I am currently trying it and even though it is a slow process I think it is worth the time and effort. There is no such thing as quick money, it does take up a lot of my time and commitment but in the end I know I will have results.
Hi,Elmarie
would you mind telling me more about this site?
Regards
Hi Chris R,
Well basically it is an affiliate system. You join up for free get the training information for free. After that you can decide what you want to do and how to go about doing it. Some of the thing if you want to do it costs money but to get started you don’t pay a thing, which is why I decided to give it a try,if I don’t pay anything I have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Regards
I would love to hear what sort of money you people are making? As you know, this blog gets a great deal of traffic and I wouldn’t mind running a JV with someone who knows what they are doing, we can convert some of my traffic into leads and see how successful the campaign can be..
I agree with “Helping Women” We all need some sort of income,As I am a single parent an unemployed I am willing to visit various sites to check them out. If I found a “work from home” solution and it worked for me, I would certaintly tell a friend. If you have sites that I can check out “work from home” I would appreciate the help.
Hey people, if you look at the post, you’ll see that I’ve added some extra content, outlining two programs which have worked for me, including TrafficSynergy, which earned me R11,000.00 in one month :)
Sign up and give it a bash!
Chris M, you are a star and so are the people who have posted useful comments on this site!
I was feeling a bit desperate and was just about to sign up for a job as a home based-typist/ data entry clerk and proberly end up looking (and feeling) like a complete twit!
I’m glad I found your site. I might give the adsense and traffic synergy a go, but I guess you have to know loads of peeps and have a website or blog, right?
i just join a moneymaking thing with hbiz.co.za. now im worried when i saw people making it off as a scam. i need to do extra job for money for my people. i already send money to them
Try the TrafficSynergy links I placed in my article, it does work, just takes a little practice and work :)
@Ash – My pleasure, stick around, let us know how things go and hopefully you’ll be able to make some good extra money :)
Alet – don’t despair just yet. It might work out ok!
And if it doesn’t then at least you can warn others and maybe we can do something about it.
Let us know how it goes!
Hi all
I have read this forum and it really has been an eye opener for me!! I have come accross the following page and I would really appreciate it if you can help me out with regards to verifying whether this is one of the scam ones or a legitimate one.
http://www.passive-income.co.za/
The site gives you an opportunity to purchase an e-book, which will give you the tools to make a success (and of course money). It mentions the Google Adsense as one of the tools, so does that mean that it is legit?
Thank you in advance
Hi Lani, I worry the minute you’re asked to purchase something. The problem is.. they usually provide you with generic information you can find for free on the Internet and then rely on your own marketing skills. There are hundreds of e-books available, but they all rely on your having the skills to do the marketing.
What does the e-book cost?
Lani, you can guess what sort of site that is.
When you can get a handful of these useless books as well, you just should forget about it. Hundreds of those sites on the Net.
Cheers.
Am very glad I found your site, Chris. We are in the throws of closing our “brick and mortar” gallery, will be keeping the website up. I had just begun to think about “work from home” opportunities to add to the mix and had googled LIGITIMATEworkfromhome. Lots and lots of sites came up and, of course, a number of the ripoff site-types discussed here. I am no babe-in-the-woods person but when $ is heavy on the mind, one becomes tempted to give it a try. My “red flag” has always popped up when I am asked for money up front for anything. It sure would be wonderful for the entire world if there were, in fact, only one site one could go to to find the good guys out there — the actual ligits. Since I have always thought these workfromhome things were all scams, what got me going to check it out again (besides needing $!) was (it was either NBC or CBS or ABC) news brief — I was in another room of my house when my ears perked up, hearing the news brief — was not quite quick enough to get the link jotted down! — so am researching for what I heard last week on the (whichever) news blurp. The news site supposedly has a list of the few ligit ones out there. Wish me luck …
From Los Angeles …
Best,
Jane J.
P.S. check out my 2 gallery websites (one above) and hamiltonselway.com, email: jane@hamiltonselway.com (this gallery is long-term “brick and mortar” — VERY established.
P.S.S. my brother lives in Joberg :-)
Glad I could be of assistance, it’s really what I try so very hard to do. Hang around, there will be many more posts on making money online or working from home :)
Hi there. Some months ago i subscribed (9$) to a
“make money over the Internet with you own website” The site was “Rich Jerk” Since then all I have received from them is a host of e-mails requesting me to sign up with them.
Thanks Syd, appreciate the feedback, this is exactly the sort of thing we’re trying to gather to prevent people from wasting their money!
Chris,
Still researching for legit work from home — am not looking to “build a business” in MLM or any other “build a business” — but in the straight ahead, “job” category. Have checked out the “Angel Stevens Process At Home System”. What is your take on this one? Is it completely legit and for real??? Also — have checked out the site: “Site Review Authority, Work at Home”. A “red flag” went up inside me in that, get this: on 5/28/08, the introduction was by a Dr. Richard Stera, Chairman. Today (6/10/08) it is by a Dr. Mike Stera. Hello! The Angel Stevens Process At Home was recommended by this SRA site. What is all this about — where can one go to find a trusted on-line job??? There must be at least a few good ones out there — yes or no? ………..look forward to hearing your response.
–Jane.
Hi,Chris
Had a bit of a break. Hope all the potential Millionaires
are well.Some time ago you asked what kind of income we are
talking about.I am currently earning about R2000.00 per Month.
I started on R100.00 and as Mentioned before it takes a few
months to increase your database.I now try and add about five new
users per day and I can see the gradual increase in income. The beauty of this is that as long as there is fax machines you are
guarenteed an steady growing income for life.One could say that
after the initial hard work you can sit back and get an passive
income.By the Way I have signed up to traffic synergy and I am
also using my Fax business to promote visiters to the traffic synergy site. I do have one problem though in the sense that I
had to confirmed sales with the ZA Florist link which indicates
a seven percent payback on sales and the pending Sales commission
does not represent seven percent. Maybe you could shed some light on this?
That’s interesting. The TrafficSynergy people are normally very good, I would pop them an email and I’m sure they’ll explain the situation to you, I’ve yet to experience a problem..
Traffic Synergy has now sorted the problem. Thanks
Ah fantastic, they’re quick aren’t they!
Hey Chris M
Good site, thanx
I work freelance in Cape Town, and have been struggling to make ends meet for some time now, I recently joined a company called multisure, they sell funeral and legal cover and you earn commission on each new member and also a residual income – well so they say, just started last week. Seems legit, but am battling to even convince family to join – not much of a sales person I suppose.
Anyone had a bad experience with them that I need to know about?
It would be great if you could give us some more tips on exactly how you go about your google adsense business, I know how to sign up and everything, but maybe you have some tips on good free websites we could use to build our own websites on, or is it better to purchase a domain name etc.
I wish it where clean cut and simple to make an honest living for yourself!
I look forward to your response.
What freelance work do you do Rudi? I’ve written a number of articles about adsense over the past couple of weeks, use the search feature on my site, you might find something useful :)
Thank you so much for this site! I have read every post and found some very valuable information.
Just a heads up to all you potential money makers….beware of freshmarketing.co.za. This crown advertises in all the newspapers that you can earn up to R10000 pm doing online surveys. You pay R370 to get a list of websites to which you must register (Of the long list most sites are duplictaes). It takes days to do all the registereing only to find that most of these sites do not accept South Africans for their surveys and the few that do only offer sweepstakes for doing surveys.
All I have got from this is loads of spam mail (I receive about 120 mails a day…luckily I opened a new address)
The good thing is that they will be refunding my money but they can not refund the many valuable hours I waisted!
Louise, thank you so much for coming here and sharing what you know about freshmarketing, this is EXACTLY what we want to do, show everyone who the cheaters are!
Yes, refunding the money is easy for them, it’s all the wasted time that is so hard to get back.
Sorry to hear it didn’t work out, I hope you find a platform which works for you!
Thanx 2 everyone that have posted on this site; Especially you Chris M. I lost my job a few months ago and have been struggling to make a living, also been through quite a few of the “scammers” out there and i am really tired of these people basically getting away with financial murder. So glad i stumbled upon this page in the process of searching for yet another new page of “scam” to see if i could find a reputable way to earn a living online…
Will try Adsense as well as the Traffic synergy.
Thanx again :)
Anyone who is interested in what my business entails email me your email or postal address so I can send you my business prospectus which I paid for R250.00 before I joined. I am very happy now and I am glad I was brave to take the decision.
Regards
Please explain to me what Traffic Synergy is all about and how income is generated thereof.Is there any fees involved to be paid by participants?I agree,there is too many people out there trying to make a quick buck,wasting your money on worthless nonsense
Both these sites for you to preview and make a quick decision with no regrets later. There is nothing we are hiding. If you stay in Johannesburg or Pretorial (South Africa) we can arrange for a meeting and I can also take you for a specaial presentation on Saturday.
Ciao
@karasu – Sorry to hear that you lost your job, it must be incredibly scary! I get so annoyed and fed up with all the scammers out there! Adsense & TrafficSynergy are excellent system, they’re most definitely not scans, I can prove this. The hardest part with the two programs is that you need a website with decent traffic, if you can obtain that through writing good content and marketing yourself, you will make a success – best of luck!
Phyllis – I would actually like to hear more about what you do so I can let my readers know whether it’s legit..
@Louis – Adsense and TrafficSynergy are companies which allow you to place banners and adverts on your website. Adsense has programs which range from contextual adverts, which display adverts which match the content you write to search and product programs. TrafficSynergy is similar, yet their focus is more on CPA, which is cost per action, meaning that when you refer someone to a system, you’re likely to earn a percentage. Both systems offer great tracking programs and are both FREE to subscribe!
It’s so good to come across a local blog – and the first time I’m sending a comment too. I agree with all the opinions, especially all those survey companies you have to join – apparently you have to join about 50 then slog away all day before you may find any decent money coming in.
While I’m not exactly a naive newby, I’ve come across a site (which I am now an impressed member of) which is just ‘off centre’ from conventional internet marketing per se and was developed by a Britisher who got fed up listening to all the internet Guru blurb. He proves how to earn very good money, beyond any doubt, right before your eyes. It’s surprisingly original, simple and do-able. Once you join, so more tools to buy either.
As I want to help my fellow countrymen ..er and women? This company has a First Tier earning structure (there are 4-Tiers)which involves some research initally. I am devising a way for those without any cash to get started as well as learning in the process. I wonder if you think this is a good idea?
Hi Opal, sounds really great and once you have finished the planning, please do come back and let me know about it as I would be very interested in hearing more!
Hi Phyllis canyou please email me that business prospectus
Regards
Phylis,could you also e mail me the prospectus. Lets look at it.
Hi Phyllis
Unfortunately i am staying in Cape Town,so i would not be able to attend a meeting.Will you please e-mail a copy of your prospectus to me,thanks for all your help,nice to know you are are thinking of others,you will get your reward for that
Keep well
Great to see everyone chatting on this thread, it’s eye opening to see how many people are interested in working from home, just shows how hectic the industry has gotten!
Hi Phyllis
I also live in Cape Town and I have requsted your prospectus. As yet I have not received it. Can you Please email it to me
Kind Regards
Athol
Hi..
I do think 90% of the so called work from home sites, is just a big scam. Trying to take the last few cents out of your pocket. * just my opinion*
Agreed Boskind, that’s my opinion completely. However, the two advertising programs I’ve chatted about in this thread, are legitimate, tried and proven by me.
Athol, Louis, Chris and all other interested.
I do not have your email addresses to send you prospectus. Please go to my website below, you will find my email address and request for the prospectus through the email address not here.
Regards
http://www.shapetolivelong.net/contact_us.php
mike t – You talk as though you have lots of experience, yet I question that as your answers are no accurate. Keywords on a website relate to Adsense adverts, but at the end of the day, it’s traffic that’s required, as per EVERY online marketing system. I’ve made thousands of dollars using Adsense on my website, as well as thousands of rands using TrafficSynergy – I’d be more than happy to take some pictures of the cheques to prove this.
None of this is easy, making money isn’t easy, regardless of your approach, it takes time and practise!
mike t, indeed, that is something I should do, I’m not an affiliate with them yet, thanks :)
Well i have read through this very interesting and informative blog. And have to agree with Chris M 100% and then some that most of these work from home things are just plain old Scams.
I was going to join up with freshmarketing.co.za but then stumbled across this blog. Man am i glad i did. Downside is a am still in need for a extra income and now i am really freaked out and don’t want to go and join up with one of these money hogging scammers.
I personally don’t have my own website so your 2 suggested programs will not work for me. Does anyone have any positive feedback on this whole ordeal??
I noticed one guy bragging about how much he is making and how much he will be making. Well big shot how about some more information so that some of the others can benifit. Chris M set this up to help everyone why is it that you are so scared of disclosing some information with everyone??
Or is it that you tried getting everyone to visit your site and scam them and boost your profit income ratio ????
I think I should do a full follow up article on this topic, outlining a few of the systems and packages I use successfully, let me ponder over it and I’ll revert ASAP.
The aim from my point of view is education and not soliciting conversions.
Shaun, I hope you r not directing the negative comment to me.
I do not believe in scamming people and I do have a plan
that is working for me.Like everything it takes a bit of work
upfront and a bit of time.However with what i do I am generating real income and it is growing. In fact I am quite prepared to do the hard work and have people joining.I will open a Company in my control panel under your name and all you need to do is source genuine people to requires fax to mail facilities.I will
then allocate 40 percent of my income to the person who refered
the user. And that is it!!!
Hi Chris,
Was offline for a long time,thanks for the suggestion you made in I think March, I know joined Adsense and waiting in anticipation for my first cheque.
Thanks again
Sharon
Oh wow! So you’ve reached the first $100 mark?
Absolutely, those are massive systems, as well as adult websites and so forth. I really just don’t have the time to do it all at this point in time, so I rather educate and let someone else do it :)
Sharing is caring!
Absolutely Chris, Sharing is caring!! I have been stuck in a web of work at home scams…one after another. I think you should add a name and shame list. I know there are a few I would like to name.
Good point, I did think about creating a website strictly to allow people to share their bad experiences so that other people wouldn’t fall into the same trap!
hi guys
I find your forum very interesting, i would like to know if alet heard anything from homebiz online – i filled out the forms but has not paid any money yet.
i’ve been pondering on another site called jobs for you, the company seems legit, but does anyone have any experience with them, i’ve been scammed out of some much money it’s not even funny, and scared to invest into another scam, can you check it out for me please? this is the link copied from the address bar at the top
regards and keep up the good work
nice informational site
http://www.ongoingprofit.com/
I will take a look tomorrow and let you know Gerald :)
Hi Chris…Sooo glad I opened up your link on google search before falling for one or other scam. It was a real eye opener. Thanx!!!
Where can one get informtaion on how to start your own website and generating money from it using for example, advertising, etc.
Hi Grant, not a problem, that’s what this post is for. I write articles all the time on iMod about making money online. I guess it would be wise to search for ‘Adsense’ in the search bar at the top of my website and have a read :)
Traffic Synergy is mainly a South African affiliate network. There are many bigger affiliate networks on the Internet. Go onto Google.com and search for “affiliate network”. If you are able to get your website working with some of the really big ones you can make large sums of money.
A good website with lots of relevant content and good keywords as well as a number of incoming links will bring you traffic from all over the world and not just South Africa if you use a dot com or dot net domain.
Another option is to act as a RESELLER for a certain product. Again there is a stack of money to be made.
Do the course called “Wealthy Affiliate” – it will save you a lot of sweat.
Hi Chris
I have been investigating another Work From Home Opportunity via the Bid or Buy Website. Have you come across it at all and if so can you please advise
For a R 100 you get the “*Free Training Package” information.
Do you know anything about this website or the company. I know that R 100.00 bucks is not much to lose or is it. Is it worth a try?
Sean – sounds like a scam to be honest, most of those upfront payment systems are!
Thanks for the reply. I am inclined to agree. I received the package for R 100.00 and a call from a mentor. Still do not know what I must do to bring the money in. All I know is that I now need to purchase a another cd to take the next step and it is mentioned that to start the whole process will cost a few hundred bucks – not sure how much even though I have asked.So yes, back to the beginning…
Argh, that sounds dodgy! Buy one thing to be told to buy another :/
Hi Sean
I bet you my bottom dollar that it is Herbalife because that is how they operate. If I were you I would ask them straight away if it is Herbalife and not spend any more money on it unless you are prepared to buy there starter pack, go to a pep up rally where they encourage you to buy more to the tune of thousands of rands to become a manager distributor or something so that you can earn more commission. Then you get stuck with thousands of rands of products that you cannot move unless you really know how to sell.
Buyer – beware :)
Joan
I would at this point like to agree with Joan,and please don’t understand me wrong;Herbalife is just one of many Direct Selling oportunities that one may join,and for many it does work,but for a lot more it don’t,because your success depends on the number of new distibutors you can get into your team,the bigger your team grow,the more will your total income be,i am currently still a member of GNLD(the well known Golden Products Company),but not active,for the reason that most of our white South Africans are too lazy to do anything,they expect to get money while sitting in front of the TV,so it is almost impossible to get your business off the ground alone,yes you can go just for selling on your own,but remember,all these products are unique and also expensive,and in these bad times,people tend not to buy into these markets.Direct Selling is a major part of the industry in a country like America,but as i say,i gave up,the people for whom this stuff work is our black people,and even beyond our borders in the African countries.Why?Because they stand together,support each other,because they know,the more they do and be committed,the more they will earn.
There is a newsletter i am subscribing to,called “What really makes money”,published by Fleetstreet Publications.the author is a guy with the name of Nick Laight.I think the articles he writes is of great value,which is more in the line of trying your hand at something worthwhile doing,that will make money,and i think this is what we must go for,no scams,no nonsense,just doing something good that will bring in money.How much have we all waisted along the line on senseless info,and at the end of the day,who made the money?
Nice day to all of you,this is really a nice chat blog!
Louis
I promised Chris some while back up this blog somewhere that I would give a small part of the programme I am still to take action on (but I shall send him an email what I suggest) so that those without much money can see and start, then perhaps give me a small percentage after they’ve earned.
I’ve dropped all other attempts at earning online and soley concentrating on this site – you don’t need adwords, adsense, a website etc. etc. It has 48 million people that visit this particular site every month. You can earn money in different ways and niches – from digital products, eBooks, affiliate marketing, selling of land … No scam here! Students of this particular knowledge base are earning very big money with the training and methods received.
Perhaps I’m spilling the beans here but it’s how to earn money on eBay – and lots of it. You will have to pay the initial $47 or $67 for all the information, experience and expetise that the founder gives. It’s very practical and simple, and once grasped and you’ve found your preferred niche – there’s a lot to be earned – time and again. (By the way, you can even joint-venture with others.)
I don’t know if I can give the site name on this blog.
Opal
I am interested and amused in the way things are going, especially relating to Herbalife – I think I should clarify a few things, and please accept my apologies in advance if I offend anybody!
Firstly, if anybody is wanting to get themselves into a business it is vital they research the opportunity and are able to make an informed decision as opposed to an opinionated decision. Whatever the cost of the package / information package is, it is a refundable deposit. I am often amused at how once a person has received their package, they ‘Disappear’ – won’t take calls, won’t follow the required steps etc etc. All they need to do is go through the material, and make a decision as to whether they want to do the opportunity or not. If not, and they return the package within 30 days, they will get a refund of their deposit – it’s that simple!
Secondly, if you follow the Proven – Step-By-Step process, you will be able to achieve whatever you want from the opportunity. Where people go wrong is that they try to re-invent the wheel and get all surprised when it doesn’t work for them. It’s like absolutely any business a person starts – and that is why so many people fail!
Then, there are a whole stack of people who want to sit on the couch and get rich – that will also not work – unless it isn’t honest & legitimate.
Yes, the bigger your team the more income you can generate – in fact, whatever business you own (MLM and Conventional), the more people you have working for youm the more income you will generate. The only difference is that in a conventional business, the more people you employ the more headaches you have!
As far as the products being expensive, that is the biggest loan of rubbish. I must ask, compared to what?
If you want to create Financial Indepencance, MLM is the way to go – just research your product and supplier company, decide which one is best suited to your needs; and then do what they tell you to do – MASSIVELY – and your wildest dreams will come true. If you aren’t prepared to work at it and follow ‘Back to back’ 90 day plans, I suggest you stay working for a boss and stop tainting the MLM name.
Cheers
Warren
Hi Chris,
New to this blog, but you’re doing a great job. Have spent loads of time looking for the “ultimate home job”.Gerald S. Re: ongoingprofit.com, be very careful, it is a very professionally done informative website,they used to be or maybe still are 365jobs4u.com but there have been numerous complaints about them internationally. Opal would you mind contacting me, I have been on to the website you are referring to, maybe we can do joint venture of sorts?
Wayne S.
It’s so great to see everyone comparing stories, that’s exactly what will prevent us all from falling for the scams!
Hi folks,
Re: Online/Homebusiness
Great to read all the comments and stories. I’m inclined to agree with Joan Masterson in terms of “Buyer Beware”. Try http://www.ripoffreport.com enter the company’s name or program being offered and you will be able to make a better decision. It relates to issues as it’s name suggests. It is mostly USA, but you must understand that these programs and products are sold globally.
This comment is in answer to Warren’s comments regarding Herbalife. I am glad that you enjoy the Herbalife products. You are obviously one of their affiliates. If you read my earlier comment, my statement was that if you are not an experienced marketer then Herbalife might not be a good product for you. As for their prices – don’t be absurd in asking compared to what. You just have to look at the price they charge for their washing powders and other cleaning materials – the prices are all inflated to accommodate the affiliate commissions. As for bashing MLM – I am not bashing MLM – I am active and succesful in many networking systems. But none of them use the neanderthal tactics to recruit people that programs like Herbalife do. Really, the worst thing you can do when you first start out selling something is to talk to anyone you see to try and persuade them to buy your product, or your family or friends – unless you want them to avoid you like the plague forever – and that is what Herbalife teaches you do do. Actually, the recommend it. Also to talk to your butcher, your baker, your candle stick maker. Another thing is that they are not transparent in their advertising. Why not come out straight away and say; Hey,we’re Herbalife instead of cloacking it in secrecy. And before you can become an affiliate you have to pay for this and buy that – heck man, they are fleecing their own affiliates and to me that is just not ethical business practice, sorry
Fortunately I can spot a Herbalife ad a mile away, but some gullible unfortunates cant.
I’m not saying that Herbalife cannot be done – its just not a good idea for anyone who hasnt done any marketing yet.
Back again :) Just wanted to reiterate what Wayne said above. Go and check out this site: http://www.ripoffreport.com/ type in Herbalife….
You will get all the sad horror stories for yourself.
Joan
Again, my apologies in advance for any criticism taken!
I mentioned in my last comments that it is critical (and wise) for a person to research an opportunity so as to make an informed decision!
My point has been proved by Joan!
1. You do not need to be an experienced Marketer – we will teach and mentor you, as happened to me when I went from a VERY self-conscious computer programmer to being able to work from home thanks to the mentoring and support I was given by the Support Structure!
2. Anybody who associates washing powder sales to Herbalife has clearly not done any research and should maybe look at the information package
3. ‘Neanderthal tactics to recruit people’ – I provide a person with information about the opportunity to enable them to decide whether they want to get involved or not – if not great – OTHERWISE fantastic!
4. We look for people who want a result and then teach them how to get a result – if you don’t want our products -NO problem – If you do, GREAt!
5. Again, I follow the process of research to provide people with a fair chance of looking at a business with an open mind – otherwise they might be like Joan and exclude themselves from the opportunity becuase they don’t want to sell expensive washing powder!
– That’s what happened to me 8 years ago and fortunately I was able to go through the research process 2 years later. If I hadn’t, I would most probably still be working for a boss and having to brave the traffic every day!
Herbalife isn’t for everybody, but surely it’s a good idea to get all the facts and make a decision with an open mind as opposed to making an opinionated decision?
Regards
Warren
Hi Louis,
Re: “What really makes money” (Fleet Street Publications) and the homebusiness tips and offers. I queried a money back guarentee on one of their programs they are selling. They offer a 30 day money back guarentee, but the same program offered by clickbank affiliates in USA is an 8 week money back guarentee. I e-mailed queries@fsp.co.za on 05/08/08 as to why the different guarentees and to date have had no reply. Obviously 8 weeks gives you more time to set up, understand and operate program???
Warren,
Hi Wayne here just need your comment on Joan’s statement re Herbalife’s advertising. “Hey we’re Herbalife” instead of cloaking it in secrecy. I also visited many sites and the net result was Herbalife, not a problem but like Joan says , “Hey……..
Hello Wayne
I can’t see your email to email you.
Here is mine: opal@myconnection.co.za
I think this blog is fun and informative. Thank you for the ripoffreport.com. Apparently you can also do a search in Google with ‘who is’ and also ‘scam (with the name of the company) though you may get other advertisements.
As to MLM there seems to be a certain ‘breed’ who can make it and some who can’t, however much they try; it’s a non-starter for some. I know from experience, I’m hopeless on the ground – I’m even into a fabulous local and global site with a real product plus R17 000+ every three months eventually (the product increases in value much more so than property) – so instead of wasting my time on phone calls and my much-needed breath and non-arrivals of prospective members who promised to be there, I’m going online with this one.
Opal
Hi Wayne, Warren here.
The answer is quite simple – you would have noticed in Joan’s earlier comments, she referred to Herbalife’s washing powder being expensive!
If Joan had gone through the Research Process, she would know this to be the case. Similarly, others need the actual facts to be able to make an informed decision.
As I mentioned earlier, 8 years ago I decided against the Herbalife opportunity as what I knew about Herbalife was not something I wanted to get involved in. Fortunately, 2 years later I went through the research process and got started. My life has changed DRAMATICALLY to say the least – I went from being unhealthy to being healthy, I was able to fire my boss 3 months after starting on a part-time basis because my Part-Time income had exceeded my take home pay from my job, my wife joined me 18 months later, we both spent the first 3 years of my son’s life being able to work around him and we were both able to take time off without having to get permission from a boss.
You know, I was sitting with somebody earlier who tried to convince me the Herbalife products don’t work and are illegal – wrong person to talk to as I lost 28kg’s in 6 months, 7 years ago. My wife lost weight and our son, who has been using the products from conception, hasn’t had one single anti-biotic since he was born. If I didn’t know more about the facts I may have been tempted to believe this person.
Regards
Warren
Hi Wayne
As far as i know, Fleetstreet Publications is quite a big concern,they host mumerous other products and as with so many companies in S A ,service range from poor to hopeless,this i have come across in the past three months several times,i would suggest that you phone them and get a senior contact person’s name to speak to ,or to send an e-mail to,i have done that in last year when i signed up and it did work.I also recently found that they did not answer one of my queries,which i must say is annoying,then on the other hand,the info i am receiving from them per e-mail and newsletter is very informative.
Hope you get sorted out
Louis
Hi Guys
I must comment on Joan and Wayne’s comments about the Ripoffreport.com website – I have read most of the articles and again am amused – I suggest people do the research for themselves and not rely on other people’s comments.
If you would like to have a chat, feel free to call me on 082-859-5447 – it would be a good idea for you to make your own mind up as opposed to relying on others to make your mind up for you.
Do you believe everything you read in the newspapers?
Cheers
Warren
As I said previously, Warren – I am happy for you that you like Herbalife. But it is not for everybody. And some people are getting suckered into it without knowing what the program entails because of the way Herbalife dealers use their advertising.
I used to be with Herbalife – that is how I know that their products are expensive compared to everyday products – not just their washing powder as you so like harping on. I could not ethically or morally justify selling someone an inflated product like that and that is why I don’t sell Herbalife.
I also do not like the way they recruit people – most people don’t know what they are getting themselves into and before they know it they are stuck with a whole load of products that they cannot sell. Like I said before, give them the whole picture so that they can make up their minds first but with Herbalife you get bashed over the head with the profits you are going to make and the lots of money you are going to have etc. Most people cannot sell ice to people in the desert but Herbalife tells them hey no, you are the exception dude – you are the one thats going to make it – and then they don’t.
I just think they way that they are doing things is unethical – if you don’t agree, hey, thats no skin off my nose. But at lease it will make someone else think twice before they spend their hard earned bucks on products that they cannot move.
My two pence.
Hi Joan
Unfortunately this is not going anywhere. I stick to my point – if you know so much about Herbalife, surely you would know there is no washing powder in the range!
Secondly, a meal costs anything from R9 – where can you buy a perfectly balanced meal for R9 – that is why I said ‘Compared to What’
Thirdly, if somebody does the research and has the knowledge to decide whether they want to join the business, they would also have the knowledge as to how the profits are made.
I cannot see how giving somebody information to make an informed decision is ‘Bashing them over ther head’
All I ask is that people are given the opportunity of making their own decision!
Cheers
Warren
Sometimes it is really worth the time you spend on reading comments… you can learn a lot from peoples opinions and input about what works and what doesn’t.
At the moment I am also looking for new income on the internet and found the input about hbiz.co.za very interesting. I was really tempted to pay the fee, but by Googling them, found my way to this site. Think I will leave hbiz. alone, has been burned quite a few times many years ago by these kind of offers.
As for Herbalife, nooo washing powder in their range of products…lol. However, the other weight loss and health products do work, but you NEED a LOT of money to MAKE LOTS of money with this company. I speak from experience as I have been a member a few years back and has lost a considerable amount of money.
If you really put a lot of hard work and effort into this, you can become successful, but for me the cost of all the advertising, webhosting and products did not justify the income I made in the end.
Also, people living in cities have a better chance of success with Herbalife than people in smaller towns, although my mentor at that time was and is still living in a very small town in the Free State. This lady is very successful, but another thing I have learned from her, you must have the support of your family when you are in the MLM business – maybe in any kind of business that you run from home.
I recently signed up for the “Bum Marketing” course (just do a Google search) with a product that you can start selling without money or your own website. It also offers good advice on how to make a living on the internet.
To be honest, I have not yet earned anything, but I think it is purely my own fault, because I do not at the moment put much effort into it, although I have worked quite hard in the first few weeks. Article and affiliate marketing can provide you with a steady monthly income.
The one thing that most of us forget when starting a business from home is that we will not become rich overnight. Hard work and perseverance is crucial to online and offline success. There is and never was a get-rich-quick scheme if you want to earn an honest living.
Just one last “experience” during my months of research on the internet… If you want to join an affiliate program, make sure that they are part of Clickbank. South African citizens cannot earn money through Paypal, although you can buy with a Paypal account.
The only way you can currently earn through Paypal is to have a friend or family member in another country and then your earnings can be paid into their bank accounts. Do not know if the exchange rate justifies the transfer cost.
Maybe this has changed in the last few months since I had a look at the Paypal site.
Lastly, I am really positive about article and affiliate marketing, even if it does take me a few months to earn any money.
Hard work and perseverance is really the only way to go if you want to be successful online or off line.
Ok, this is a long comment, just felt I had to share a little of what I have learned during my search for an extra income.
Hi Elsie
You put into words about Herbalife exactly what I meant to say. It is not that they don’t have good products, it is that their product prices are highly inflated to pay the company, the manager, the distributor – all of those people get a piece of the pie. As for the washing powder – I only used that as an example product. I never said they HAD washing powder. It was just meant as a proverbial product. I guess I should have just said diet and meal replacement products and left it at that.
As for making money on the Internet – there are things that work but it does take a while for most people to learn how to do that. You can sell products from Clickbank and drive traffic to it via Adwords, you can make money with Adsense if you know how to build websites around profitable products – providing you know how to drive traffic to it. In the early days of Adsense it was easy, you could just slap up a site around certain keywords and you made money. Lots of things have changed since then though and making money with Adsense is not as easy as it was then.
You can also make money with network marketing – as a matter of fact, I am making money with network marketing – the internet makes it easy if you know how.
But – what comes easy to you may not come that easy to the next person. It does not mean that what works for me will work for you and vice versa. So basically it takes a while to learn what works for you.
What has worked for me was to have a mentor that can teach you how to do things step by step. And then you learn more things on your own and soon soon you know how to make money.
I have done article marketing and it works – but with so many people doing it these days, it has also become harder. Google has also stopped counting backlinks from many article directories for exactly that reason – too many people out there trying to get links to their sites etc doing it the same way. These days you have to think out the box and not do what the rest of the crowd is doing. And if you find something that works – keep it to yourself, and rinse and repeat :)
My two cents
Joan
Hi Chris,
Like others, locating your site has been an eye-opener and of course, a scary revelation. Just this morning I paid R197.00 to http://www.invest4life.biz/order. Now I wish I’d done more research-if it’s Herbalife, I’m likely to literally shoot myself in the foot! Is this site familiar to you? I’ve also located another “work from home opp”- pLance which has received good reviews from a practical on-line assessment-www.proconsumerguides.org. Profitlance.com requies the equivilant of R577.00 ($77). And, yes, it has a money-back guarentee, but that doesn’t remove the “Fear Factor” lol.
I agree that the opportunities advertised should be less “cloak & dagger”. It would save a lot of time & stress. Multilevel Marketing biz opps like Amway & Herbalife are frustrating, well-disguised time-wasters, especially in the South African economy. I don’t doubt their high quality products, but it’s simply way too tedious & really speaking-door-to-door sales.
But I suppose if 1000 people responded per week, the site owner would earn interest on R197.00/person over a 4 week period (the time it takes to request a refund should you be unhappy). Even if the biz opp is legitimate but unworkable for the general layman, R197.00 x 4000 hits/mth = R788000.00. Interest earned on that amnt/mth makes for a decent passive income with almost no overheads!
So there you go, folks. It’s that simple and legal to generate a passive income via the internet…even if your biz opp is to advertise biz opps lol. So now I’m off to work on this fantastic new opportunity by rounding up all the other gullible so-and-so’s like myself.
Take care and enjoy your day,
Natasha
ps: If we take the time to conduct extensive searches for biz opps to improve our lives, we should equally and importantly take the time to report scams to the relevant “watchdogs”. It’s the only way to rid ourselves of the opportunistic scum that roam the virtuals portals.
Hi Natasha
Bet you my bottom dollar you’ve been caught… :) I hope you come back to tell us who it was – not that I have any doubt.
Hi Joan
Fate, it would seem,isn’t an absolute b*#ch lol. Yes, gullible me, did send off for the “miracle starter pack” but it appears my pmnt wasn’t processed due to a technical glitch so I still have my money & dignity in tact.
Hats off to the site owner, tho, who did call & sounded rather sincere & since she is located in Johannesburg, I might opt to meet her in person and examine the proof of her on-line business.
Fortunately or unfortunately, I’m not prepared to give up on humanity just yet. I still believe there are a few good souls left out there… But as Joel says (Dec 03, 2007), it’s possible to generate a decent income on-line, but it takes hard work. Those looking for a “quick fix”, I’m afraid, are bound to burn their fingers. So I guess we will have to validate the existence of the potential opportunities (somehow..) before diving in nose first into a possible waterless pool.
Ciao for now & have a super day!!
Hi Natasha,
I have been following your entries and really hoping that you do not get scammed. I don’t think you are gullible…you just believe in humanity.
Anyway glad you get a proper chance to investigate and make a knowledgeable decision.
Hi Mpho,
Thanx for that. I believe there are many people stuck in careers that they accidently stumbled into & of course there are those who are living out their well-executed childhood plans. Unfortunately, many people find themselves unhappy in their current career choices. According to Maslow, a famous psychologist, we are constantly & unwittingly climbing a ladder (the hierachy of needs) and sooner or later reach a stage where our status quo just isn’t enough to make us happy.
I believe there’s an entrepeneur in all of us but the fear of risk & failure prevents us from persuing our dreams.
I abandoned a promising career in persuit of my own business which I have today. Regrets?? None! Stress? Loads of it! But it’s a different kind of stress. I wouldn’t swop it for any “employee” type situation.
My curiosity iro a home based on-line business is to increase my existing customer base and to derive a residual, passive income in the process.
Hats off to Chris-this site has made me acutely aware of the potential dangers out there. In addition , it’s provided the solution I was looking for…so look out for my site (to be announced next week).
Tropical holidays & fat bank balances can only come from hard work but we should not allow the tropical misty waterfalls to cloud our judgement.
I also believe we reap what what we sow. It’s an unproven spiritual superstition or perhaps faith of some kind…most people don’t give it much thought these days, but if your heart is clean & your intentions sincere, perhaps “good fortune” will fall upon us. It’s about embracing an unselfish conscious awareness. We all want the millions, right? How many of us actually plan to do some good with it?
A young guy held me up at a busy intersection 2 weeks ago. I was almost shot in midday for my cell phone & no-one lifted a hand to help! Honestly speaking, I was more perturbed by the lack of humanity by the people around me, than that of the young guy wielding the firearm. The immediate thoughts that ran though my mind was 1. I work hard to own my cellphone so I’m not giving it over and 2. wouldn’t it be nice if I could offer the young man a job. He has his whole life ahead of him, but it will be short-lived with his “career choice”. What he failed to realise at the time was I could have easily shot him since I drive with my firearm readily accessible in my car at all times.
I guess my point is, we are only victims of our circumstances if we choose to be. Whether it’s due to a gun-wielding fool, an internet scam or due to unhappiness in our current careers.
Once we accept that it isn’t our birth-right to demand what we haven’t earned,understand the meaning of humility and humanity, then perhaps, only then, by the grace of a higher power, we shall experience the mist of the tropical island waterfalls…though not necessarily in a literal way, but in a way that we deserve…
Now Im off to drive along the same road where I encountered the gun-wielding young man (whom I’ve noticed there a few times after my awful incident, so wish me luck!
Hi Chris
What a great site for all who was scanned or try not to be scaned.
I come accross the following “make some extra cash” oppertunity who do not promise to make you millions but the oppertunity for some extra money (www.pockectbillboardadvertising.page.tl).
They make use of cell phone advertising to generate cash and you get paid each time an advertiser forward a sms to you.
Have you seen this? and if so, what do you think about it?
I’m glad I could provide you with something useful. I have not seen the site you are talking about, but it sounds dodgy :/
Thanx
I have read the details on their website and can not see the scam, but may I should investigate more and maybe some can also give their opinion on it?
Andy
Hi Elsie,
Re:hbiz.co.za have made enquiries will let you know as soon as I receive info.
Hi Joan and Wayne
Thanks for the responses to my comment a few nights ago.
Joan, the washing powder…sorry, did not mean anything bad, maybe we could have made more money if we had to sell washing powder…lol – however, it just goes to show that even after not being members anymore, sometimes we are still not sure if we can say what Herbalife is really all about or even mention their name… but enough on that subject.
I’ll have to look into networking marketing, or maybe not, because then I will have another “new” subject to read up on and gather info, which in the end I most probably will not use – wish I could find a mentor to show me what exactly to do with all the e-books, resale,PLR’s, public domain, affiliate marketing, Adsense/Adwords, minisites, landing pages,RSS, product creation, niche finding… and all the info products that are out there, I have them all – (luckily I only paid for one)and various other products I have downloaded during the last two years. At the moment they are just gathering dust. It is really a case of I know WHAT I have to do but not exactly HOW to do it.
This is the reason I tried my hand at article and affiliate marketing. Maybe I am not really a salesperson, but on the other hand, I know that my future lies here on the internet, just have to find a way to make all these things work for me.
Squidoo lenses are supposedly also a good way to earn money, not overnight, but in the long term I think it can be very profitable. You just have to find a subject you are passionate about and start building the lens around it.
I did find typing actual html in the text modules and the placement of images a little more difficult as opposed to blogging where you can type your post and upload images by choosing where in your post they must appear. On the whole, however, a nice way to create an online presence.
Wayne, thanks for your offer of looking into hbiz.co.za. It would be nice to find an honest company who pays for work done from home and I could really do with some extra cash in this time.
As for my observation about Paypal, Chris has a marvellous discussion about this (no less than 270 comments!) on his post of 13th February 2008 – worth reading and checking out the links in these comments.
http://imod.co.za/2008/02/13/i-called-paypalcom-today-from-south-africa-and-asked-wasssup/
Hi Elsie, Wayne and Everyone
Please do yourself a favour and stay far away from hbiz.co.za – all of the programs that they offer are scams. I have actually reported them to complaint@asasa.org.za. Most of their programs were actually outlawed by this legislation:
***Advertisements offering certain work-from-home opportunities are now illegal, said the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) on Wednesday.
The ASA welcomed the regulation, which was issued by the Department of Trade and Industry.
“The regulation makes various work-from-home ‘opportunities’ illegal. These include opportunities to ‘fill envelopes’ and ‘type labels’ — two scams against which the ASA has issued various rulings,” said the ASA in a statement.”
This includes “typing from home” work, unless you are offering your services.
What I can tell you is that they offer surveys to make money – something which definitely does not work for South Africans because the survey companies out there that do accept Saffies only offer prizes and stuff – not real money – and you might not even qualify for the prizes they have.
Another thing is that they offer “data entering”. This is no more than giving you a list of Clicbank products, telling you how to write an ad for it and then putting out an Adwords campaign for it – and of course the money for the ads come out of your own pocket.
Don’t fall for those kinds of scams. They are illegal and they don’t work.
Blessings
Joan
Hi Joan
Thanks for the advice. Until I can find something else, I’ll just keep on with my small business at home and work on my internet marketing.
Stay well
Elsie
Hi Joan
Thanks for the advice. Guess I will just have to go on with what I am doing and use my computer to design and create “thingys” I can sell locally to earn a little extra money until everything falls into place again.
Stay well
Elsie
Hi Joan, Elsie
I actually e-mailed the Dept of Trade and Industry to establish hbiz legitimacy, because hbiz website says that (I’m paraphrasing) “All our products and services are as per the new DTI regulations” but when I saw the envelope filling etc I knew somethings not right.Will let you know as soon as I get reply from DTI. The chap at hbiz is a Tim Coetzee.
Hi All,
Re:hbiz. I queried their survey biz opp and this was their exact reply via e-mail. “We supply you with links of companies that wants you to complete surveys for them, there are a few that does not accept south africans but according to us most of them do want the opinions of South Africans”
Hi All
I hope I am not contravening your terms of service by posting this here Chris. If so, please delete this post. I have been reading most of the posts here and there is one thing all the posts have in common – people are looking for ways to make money from home legitimately. Some people are looking for real work – like typing etc – which is kind of scarce, others are looking for ways to make money on the Internet.
What I have been looking at doing for a long time now is to establish a membership website where members will be able to download guides that will teach them how to make money online, including but not limited to using Adsense and Adwords to make money, how to make money blogging, how to make money selling products etc.
Now, these products can be found on the Internet one by one if you are really looking for them, but to acquire them one by one normally costs you anything from $47 upwards. That is a lot of money for one product.
What I am look at doing is establishing a membership website where I will make products like that available for a monthly membership fee of say R29. Which means that even if I just add say 5 products a month that cost $47 each, which works out to R1833.00 in products – that means you save R1804.00!
The site will also have a membership forum where the products and ways to implement it, tips etc can be discusses so you get even more value for your money.
If there is anyone here that would be interested in joining such a site, please email me at joan@womenatwork.co.za . At this stage I am just trying to figure out if it would be a viable thing to do.
Thanks
Joan
Hi Guys,
I came across this site whilst researching … you guessed it … work from home opportunities. It’s been a real eye opener for me, although i have tried numerous work from home businesses.
I started with the “fill envelopes from home” system, and although i made a small amount of money, i spent more on advertising than i ever brought in – when i decided to leave the company, i never received my final payment that was due to me.
I then moved onto reading e-mails from home – you subscribe and they send you hundreads of e-mails which you are supposed to read and then refer people to, it works on a points basis and once you have a cretain amount of points, they supposedly pay you out – PLEASE do not get caught up in this scam – all i ended up with was full e-mail boxes, a computer full of viruses and no cash to speak of although i reached the target several times over!
Then along came good old Herbalife. PLEASE believe me when i say that although i realise that Herbalife may work for some people, you DEFINITELY NEED MONEY to make money from this. I joined the 60 minute money system, my mentor convinced me that the only way forward was to immediately sign up as a Supervisor (thus skipping all the intermediate levels). I got myself into a serious amount of debt by trying to fund the Supervisor level, and the small amount of money i did bring in in a 6 month period was not even enough to cover the costs for maintaining my websites. Unless you have unlimited advertising resourses at hand, and a huge personal support base of family and friends who can afford to pay the high prices of the retail products, you probably wont make money with Herbalife. Two years later i am STILL paying of the debt incurred with this little venture. I do know people who have become millionaires from Herbalife, but they are few and far between.
I am now on the hunt again for something to do from home, although i have a full time job, and i just came across an opportunity from a company called Provinet ( SA Based). Has anyone ever heard of them or know anything about this particular opportunity? Would love some feedback if you have.
K
Hi Kiera
Yes, sadly that is what happens to some people and that is why I say that some of Herbalife’s methods are unethical. That person did not have your interests at heart when they pushed you to go the whole nine yards – only their own backpockets!
As for Provinet – it is a program that is run by one of my closest friends Yolande Verwey and various other partners. They started this program because they were fed up by being done in by other programs which I will not mention here. The main aim behind Provinet is to help people save towards there medical expenses. It is not a Medical Aid but a means to save up for unexpected expenses or for when your Medical Aid has been maxed.
It is network marketing of course, so if you are not good at network marketing it might not be your thing. However, it is a good product and if you are willing to act outside of your comfort zone to recruit more members, I would urge you to go ahead. I am a Provinet member and I can tell you that there commission structure is better than anything you have seen in South Africa and you can start earning an income from the very first member you introduce.
PM me at joan@womenatwork.co.za if you have any other questions regarding this.
Blessings
Joan
Hi chris
Did you realise how big this blog has gotten, it took me over half an hour to read all the comments, but let me tell you it was worth the effort.
I have like all of you been on the ineternet and have been looking for a work from home opportunity but as soon as they ask for money or if the deal is to good to be true I dont bother becos most likely it is a scam. So I decided to do my own thing on the net, and I am currently doing very well, it is a lot of work, all from home, but it is worth it as I can see my kids when they come home from school and I hate traffic so I will not spend any time going to work.
Like all businesses I had to work extremely hard to get to were I am and I now am very happy with the outcome. It has changed my life and that of my ex-wife, she seems to be the one that benefits the most from this venture.
Once again to those who want to work from home if you come across an opportunity that is too good to be true it probably is.
If you want to make money be prepared to work hard(not physically)for it and give it the time and attention it deserves.
thank you chris
Hi Chris,
Just to also say its a brilliant blog, just lost my job last Monday and have decided working from home is the ideal, just like so many of the comments from everybody I have also been looking for the past year or so at various internet business opportunities and been frustrated by realising all of them are scams until I also stumbled across this blog. I still have to create my own website and then I will use adsense and traffic synergy. will keep everybody posted on how I do and welcome any tips comments to help me along and agree the only way is to put in the time, well… I have lots of that right now!
Bax
Hi Bax, I’m so glad I can preent a platform for everyone to learn from, it’s so important to know which programs are scams and which ones aren’t!
hey there i have been looking for a way to make some money since i cannot find a job. i have been researching on work from home opportunities and i have looked at the ones that people have recommended but they all need me to have my own website. please if anyone can help me buy telling me how to go about making a good website. or if i can get one cheap or even for free
hey chris you have a brilliant website here. was wondering if you could help by tellimng me where i can find a cheap or even free website
Hi nolly, glad you like my blog! You should probably head on over to wordpress.com and sign up for a free blog, that would be the best way to get started..
Hello Nolly
I’m glad you asked about free websites. I’ve been doing research myself on this. There are plenty of free web templates on the ‘Net. Search Google etc. Even some SA hosting sites (if you host through them give you free templates with it). if you want to learn Joomla i.e. how to set up your webpages etc. you can go on courses. The cheapest one I found is in Jhb & Durban. (There are however free online courses too – I have the contact of a good one.)
Anyway, here is a FREE website builder which has a 70-page manual and you can also download the videos so you can watch it, step-by-step:
http://egoli8.freese.hop.clickbank.net
(You can also give it away)
I’ve also come across a fabulous site that has many templates – fully MONETISED already! .. that is your Adsense etc. is exactly where it ought to be and you can choose what programmes to build your site with. But it comes at a price.
Hope this helps.
email: opal@myconnection.co.za
I know this working from home so called “scams” does work!
I think people have comment on this before trying it, or quit trying before they have really started…
You must be dedicated in what you do, NOTHING will work if your not willing to try hard enough.
Agreed Marthinus, but, it’s great to come here and read about things before venturing forth though and not wasting time and money on something other people have tested..
Hi All,
Re:hbiz.co.za Reply from Dept of Trade and Industry in a nutshell, “Avoid it” as Joan stated previously,products they are offering are illegal as per DTI
Thanks Wayne, this is exactly the sort of thing we want people to come and share!
Hi I have been married for 50 years and just work at home. I live in the state of Wisconsin, USA. Joan Masterson
Geez Joan – you must be ancient, having been married for 50 years and all. Never knew I had a name sake in Wisconsin. Who would have guessed. The world is full of surprises…
But – if your name is Joan Masterson I will surely eat my hat…
Hi there Chris first of all thanks for the eye opener.I have also been a victim of hbiz crap!!
I have since joined The new Telecommunications company in SA.
You know what we sometimes over look the fact that we are paying out our hard earned money every month in some form or the other.We pay for the service we require to generate an income.I found a way to subsidise my monthly bill there for making more money.If you own a small company or you a MLM,you probably use your phone and internet alot.
I discovered a way to subsidise my monthly bill and it feels good to get something back.
I get rebates on my current phone bill of 20c per minute for calls i recieve from land lines and 40c per minute for calls from cell phones.
This is an excellent way to cut costs and make a risidual income for small to medium businesses,people in advertising etc,even the average work from home executive.
Feel free to visit my website for more infomation on how save 40%n on your current bill.
We all know that if you save you gain…
Regards
Laurell
Hi chris
I was so excited about you website that i spelt RESIDUAL wrong ,sorry for that.
I have told almost everyone i know that wants to work from home to check your site out first as it is sooo informative and why bump your own head if you can learn from people like me.
I was so excited tha i forgot to leave my link.
telesave@adslphone.co.za
Regards
Laurell
Hi Chris,
Thanks for a very informative forum. It saved me looking at a lot of sites that apparntly are no more than scams. I’m new to the ‘work at home’ scene and fortunately stumbled over your site early on.
I wanted to know whether anyone had any experience with Jessica Miller’s The Top 10 at home Opportunaties? The attraction of the site is that it offers several opportunaties, rather than just one kind of program.
Your input will be appreciated
Hi Johan,
Jessica’s site appears ok although one has to be careful. She also advises what programs are scams/not recommended and those that don’t work. I’ve tried the “sixfigure” income but in my opinion this is for the Americans only. I recieved a full refund within stipulated guarentee period.
Hi everyone,
If anyone is really interested in working from home I have a REAL option. My company is an internet based company and we sell all sorts of stuff. From cell phones, stationary, computers, games, tvs to coffee makers and prams. So if anyone is interested in becoming resellers or unofficial agents of our company then contact me. With us you are given a cost price and you decide for how much you want to sell the products. You can contact me at q10@mail.com i’m not giving out my business email here because I don’t want to be the target of spam
** Moderator : Please provide a URL and not just an email address.
Hi Johan
You see, the minute people mention Surveys, Data Entry, Assembly, Proofreading etc etc in the same breath as Work from Home you should close that website and RUN from it. Those are well known scams that have been on the Internet for years. And even if the person suggests another legitimate business on the same page, I would not trust them just for the fact that they have scams on the same page.
Stay away unless you want to get your fingers burnt!
Let me tell you, I have been doing business on the Internet since it started in SA and I can smell a scam a mile away. If it seems to good to be true – it normally is :) Use that as a yardstick.
Joan
Hi there Natasha
Thank you so much for bringing to my attention that i had the incorrect details down ,i really appreciate it.
here is the correct link.
telesave.adslphone.co.za
Please feel free to ask any questions.
Regards
Laurell
Hi all
Great thread
Just wanted to say thanks to all the honest people out there trying to help out their fellow man!
I am new to this whole online work scene, but what I would like to know is if so many websites and companies have been identified as scams, why are they not put out of operation and shut down? Surely what they are doing is illegal in some way? If I had to make a website allowing people to buy drugs online I’m sure it would get reported and shut down immediately and legal action would follow? Why are all these sites still operational and worst of all still allowed to receive transactions/payments from innocent people? I think it is just as bad and something should be done about it.
Regards
Hylton
Nice web site but I think you guys must specify what you see as scams. Obviously not all opportunities on the Internet are scams. I agree that most data entry, typing jobs, surveys, chain letters, etc are scams.
But there are many other opportunities which can earn you a living. The person who started this post showed you that he makes money from Adsense and Traffic Synergy. Well those also qualify as online opportunities.
I also make a living from Adsense, traffic synergy, offerforge and many other methods.
Dear folks, please do not leave links inside your posts and ask for people to visit them. The idea behind this thread was not to recruite people, but rather discuss the nature of making money online :)
Thanks,
Admin
Hi All
I also burnt my fingers in the past with a few of these work from home offers, but realy need to find some way of earning some money from home.
Chris THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND THE TIME YOU PUT IN ON THIS SITE – to help all of us to avoid all these scams – if I find a real way to make money I will always be grateful to you for pointing out the scams
What always amazes me is that some people “burn their fingers” with work from home opportunities yet others makes a fortune from the very same opportunities. Which let one wonder if the problem is the opportunities or the people
@Pieter – Great point. I think it lies a lot with the people. Although most of these systems are scams, the ones which do hold value rely hugely on the ability of the person to be able to market the products/services correctly and not everyone is able to market..
I will be attending a presentation on the 27 Sep of one of the work from home companies.
Propably i will have a clear understanding of what this is all about. I`m very interested in doing home business.
Mlungisi, please do come back here and tell us about the presentation once you’ve been. I’m sure all my readers would be really interested in hearing more..
Hi Chris,
I paid http://www.hbiz.co.za R230 to get started and once I received their work from home package, It was not what I expected at all.
I asked for my “100% money back guarantee” refund only to be told that I need to work for them for 6 months and have made money before I can claim my refund.
Is there any way of me nailing these scammers and getting my money back?
It’s very difficult to bust these people, the best way is threads like this, where we expose them and prevent others from dealing with them..
Sorry to hear that you had a bad experience!
Hi Vanessa,
Re: homebiz.co.za. I suggest you report them to the Department of Trade and Industry,see DTI website.Also check homebiz terms and conditions of trading.I wish you success.
Hi Vanessa, here is the e-mail address for complaints to the DTI complaints@asasa.org.za
hbiz.co.za will be on their database as complaints have been made against them already.
Wayne, great to have you onboard, thanks so much for helping me educate my readers!
Thank you Wayne. I have reported them to complaint@asasa.org.za
WAScamNet@docep.wa.gov.au
Ripoff report
I have already received response from the second one as this is an illegal pyramid scheme. Will keep in touch.
Thank you for your advice.
Hi Vanessa,my pleasure.
Hi Wayne and Chris
A quick update, he he lol.
Even though I DO NOT QUALIFY for a refund, homebiz.co.za WILL refund my money a.s.a.p.
Thanks for the great website, I’m going to try Adsense and Traffic synergy, even if it looks Chinese,lol.
Great day for you both.
Good for you vanessa, REALLY happy to hear this! Glad they are willing to refund the money, kudu’s to them for doing that.
TrafficSynergy is probably a lot easier to get to grips with than Google Adsense, so give that a go first I reckon.
Good luck!
Hi I would realy like to know is there any genuine work from, like doing admin. I dont want to become rich over night. I would love to make a decent salary from home.
Hi Vanessa,glad to hear you’re getting a refund.Yes kudus to them.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the great Blog! It took some time to find but it was well worth the wait.
Some extremely useful feedback when contemplating one of the many “opportunities” out there.
I wondered if anyone could comment on “Sportron”. I have only attended a presentation at this stage, with training seminar to follow. They claim that their modus operandi differs from other MLM companies like Amway, Golden Products, Herbal Life etc. in that they offer a passive income in growing your own business.
I googled a little but did not see anything that suggests otherwise. Is this just another multi level marketing, pyramid scheme… or do they genuinely offer something different?
I don’t want to question the value in MLM, but as others here have mentioned, some have made money, some have not… it requires a person suited to this environment and the right conditions perhaps.
For me personally, I don’t have the time to invest and wait for a possible income – I am currently unemployed, retrenched after 18yrs in Telecommunications and then a brief 3yr stint in real estate gone bad.
I, like many others, am looking for a genuine “job” type opportunity to make a living. Technology is great, and I love computers and the internet, but it does have a tendency to cloud the mind.
So much information to absorb and sift through.
I read that adsense and synergy are viable, but don’t have a website.
I would imagine getting a website up and running PROPERLY would Cost… considering search optimization, Meta tags, pay per click advertising and all the other options I read about to get a decent amount of traffic through a website.
I am not a computer layman, but do have limited experience in website design etc. Just dabbled a bit a few years ago with Publisher and uploaded a webpage on one of those free sites. Also tried using online wizards to try and build one but seems too limited.
How much can one do with a website themselves with a little “online” self tutoring and perhaps some decent software before you have to call in the big guns?
Maybe you have a link or another thread dealing with advice on this topic seperately Chris.
Thanks
Hi All
Vanessa – good for you. I am glad you got your money back. Those people are a bunch of crooks.
Dush – if you are looking to do some admin work etc – I have just started a site for Virtual Assistants where they can learn how to become VA’s and work for themselves. If you are interested, email me at joan@vaforhire.co.za for more info.
Hi Chris and Wayne
What do you think of Project 21?
Kind regards,
Vanessa
Hi Vanessa,
I have read about Project 21 and is possibly MLM.I will do some investigating and get back to you asap.
Maybe Chris or anybody else reading this blog can throw some light on this in the mean time.
Regards
Wayne
These ones are always tricky! They do work, but they require you to basically start a whole company around them. It’s much like going into a shop, buying some products, marking them up and then selling them. The only difference is that you don’t have to outlay a lot of capital initially. I guess it mainly depends on what product/s you will be selling and whether there is a gap in the market for this product. If it’s a successful system, there will be thousands of other users, who are competitors, so your leading edge falls away slightly :/
Personally, I’m not a huge fan, unless I have experience with the product I have to sell..
Hi Chris & Wayne
I did become a member, but had a system crash down wish caused me to loose all my clients. It is listed on SCAMnet under Employment fraud : ie Money laundering.
Project 21 enables people to a 30 day free trial period which they can build their own free clientel in order to start their own business. All advertising is done on Gumtree and other free advertising websites. It does work, as I brought in 6 client in 3 days. Project 21 is free for 30 days, and costs R420 for the next 11 months. Each month the clients receive a new package. It only takes one “successfull” client to pay for your next 11 months business fees. All the other ‘successfull” clients you receive will pay you R420 into your bank account. BUT you have to pay your own taxes.
Hi Dush,
I have some real work to do from home. You can email me at q10@mail.com for more info
Project 21 – I am surprised that it is still doing the rounds. It was labeled a scam in 1998 already and people are still getting caught…
Hi Chris,
Just wondering why you guys have not replied yet to my earlier post?
Hi Dean
To answer your question – Sportron is no different to Herbalife. They also offer products that you have to sell to others in your network to make money. New wording but Same old same old. If you don’t like network marketing you are not going to make money with this, trust me.
On the other hand, the company is legit, the products are good but expensive, but if you are a people person and you can sell ice to eskimos you will do well with it :)
Thank you Joan.
I was worried at the reason why they were on Scamnet.
This is such a great site, at least this way we can discuss what works and what doesn’t.
Keep well
Joan:
Thank you for the response. It confirms what I suspected. Maybe something to consider as a sideline later on.
Can anyone shed some light on where I could find comprehensive info on all the ins and outs to building your own website.
Is it possible to do successfully by yourself with a little hard work and the correct software, or will it, in the end, always require calling on the professionals to properly optimise your site for searching etc.
Hi Dean
Why don’t you try “Freewebs” first before you start building your own website and see if your business is viable before you spend a lot of money and effort on building a website. Just google the name and you will find them.
It is very easy to use, lots of templates to choose from, uploading of files and folders, etc. and you can also upgrade and buy your own domain name from them at a later stage.
I use them in my affiliate marketing and found it really easy to use.
Squidoo, Blogger and Wordpad are also something you should look at for a start maybe.
Hope you find something you can work with.
Hi Chris
Is this a legit web-site
http://www.365jobs4u.com
Thanking you
Dush
Hi Dush
That site just screams “SCAM”. The only way you are going to get a real data entry job is if you have a real client that you either recruited yourself to do work for, or that recruited you personally to do work for them. The kind of jobs offered on this site is almost identical to those offered on hbiz.co.za.
Also, if you are a South African, stay away from sites that offer “paid surveys” – there are hardly any surveys out there that Saffies are allowed to participate in and if they do exist, they normally only offer you reward points or something – no pay whatsoever.
The only way you are going to earn something legitimately this way is if you set yourself up to deliver a service for clients like I mentioned before. Sites like these you should run from and hide your credit card! :)
Joan
Thanks Joan
Please, guys, no more scammers.
Some of us want to work from home without being pressured into paying UP FRONT.
Does any one have the BRAINS to come up with something LIGIT???????????/
I have not followed the whole story but I would make two low risk suggestions:
1) BUM Marketing – google it.
2) Do you have a passion and want to learn more. Create an AUTHORITY SITE which is just what it means – populate it with Adsense and other appropriate affiliate stuff. Once it is working properly it will generate a constant income. Understand that it will take at least 12 months. Also make sure that it is worldwide so that you get good traffic. A good blog like this one can gennerate a good income with good ads and affiliate links. thanks mike
Anyone heard of http://www.richnhealthy.net? they require R95 to get a decision pack so you can start earning money online. I am so tempted to buy this decision pack.
please advise
Yes, Cocoa, that looks like a Herbalife site. It is almost only them who let their potential clients pay for information and who are hide their business’ name.
Rich – Healthy – = Herbalife
You get to know their ads a mile away :)
Joan
HI Joan, I see you joined The Network Marketing College. Welcome to the team.
Wow! Only R95 now for a decision package. Three years ago I paid R250 for mine…
so Elsie, you paid R250 for a decision pack? was it for the same company (rich n healthy)if yes, was it worth it? r u making money?
Yes I am sure of it. Like Joan said, rich+healthy=herbalife. To be honest, I thought I would make a lot of money, I bought into this whole deal, after decision pack came business pack and a week later supervisor “deal”(this one nearly emptied my bank account)plus immediate advertising wheel and website maintenance and then the training letters and ads you had to use, all worked out for you and had to follow them to the letter.
I live in a small town and in the end my family and I used the products because nobody was prepared to pay the high prices. 6 months later and a lot lot poorer, I had to give it up.
If you really work hard and live in a city or big town, have the support of your family, are prepared to go all out (attend seminars and workshops as well)and have lots of extra cash on hand to buy the products every few months, you can make money and rise in this company, but I could not do it- maybe I am not a sales person… even though I did get a lot of support from my “mentor”
I forgot to mention, live, eat, sleep and breathe the company, but hey, I lost weight and had a lot of energy for a few weeks…lol – and also gained more experience business wise.
So I am not saying you should not do it, this is just what I experienced with this company.
Hi Chris
I am looking into affiliate marketing. I’ve found a product called profit lance which apparently teaches you the ins and outs of affiliate marketing and how to go about making money out of it. Profit lance claims to be incredibly user friendly (for people who are not internet or computer boffins, like me). However i am well aware of all the scams on the internet and am therefore hesitant that this program could be a scam as well. Have you heard of it? What is your view?
Regards,
Melanie
Melanie
You can download a free eBook showing you how to build your own money generating web site using adsense and affiliate marketing. Apparently we are not allowed to post links on here, so just click on my name above and you will be routed to the right place.
Start with the free stuff and if you feel you get the hang of it and you need more info then only start paying for knowledge.
Best Regards
Pieter
Hey people, you may not believe it but I’ve been trying to get a working internet solution for the last 4yrs to supplement my income. As you may imagine – I’ve lost a lot of money in some of these schemes. I’ve learned the hard way – from data entry to stuffing envelopes and even accessing some 10+ websites per day to generate hits!!. Though still apprehensive, am impressed with the quality of responses posted so far. I’ve visited each link above – and am convinced I’ll make a rational decision. One thing I’ve learned though is simple: nothing comes for free; even a lotto ticket has to be purchased! Good luck guys and keep it up! Cheers
Hey by saying ['...nothing comes for free; even a lotto ticket has to be purchased!...'] I meant you have to work towards a goal: invest in suitable resources e.g. PC or laptop, get internet connection, put in hours etc… just like even after buying the lottery ticket, you’d constantly watch tv, listen to radio or read newpapers for the winning numbers!
Paul, if you’ve created websites before, then I would say that you should sign up for OfferForge or TrafficSynergy..
Thanks Chris for your feedback. Am actually grappling with ideas regarding the website – content, design, ??. Hopefully I will be up and running before the end of this week. Have a pleasant week. Cheers!
Hi Melanie,
Profit Lance is as you’ve said in your mail, it has very little if any negative reviews but I would tend to agree with Pieter do as he suggests and monitor your progress, you could save yourself a tidy sum of money.
Wayne
Hi Pieter and Wayne
Thanks so much for your guidance, i will most certainly make use of it, much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Melanie
Hello
I’ve been meaning to add to a previous message regarding how to build websites without any risks and money. There is a very good FREE website builder (which I believe is top notch software) for beginners who don’t need to know html because it builds it for you in a WYSIWIG editor – plus free step-by-step videos plus 100 templates. Here it is: http://www.myfreewebsitebuilder.com
Someone suggested earlier, to also use http://www.Squidoo.com
This is also excellent as a free mini website – called ‘lenses’ by them (and you can earn some money too). Their forums and download PDF files are all most helpful – and free too.
Upon a useful suggestion by someone in another forum, I bought XSitepro (very suitable for newbies too) – it’s not a cheap programme but it stands up neck and neck with Front Page and Dreamweaver – and besides one would have to buy Dreamweaver and then possibly still go on an expensive course. it has all the tools and whistles too to monetise one’s site.
For the past few months I’ve taken this journey just as you have, and have been researching very carefully in what route to go, even with domain registration, hosting (cheapest on the net) and what type of websites etc.
Here’s also a useful free site designed for the complete newbie based on videos on ‘how to’:
http://www.website-mechanics.com
I hope this helps and that I am not spamming.
Yours
Opal
Wow. So many comments. As far as I’m concerned – “nothing ventured nothing gained”. You’ve got to get in the mix to find out for yourself. So you can listen to the synics who have only had bad experiences or you can listen to the guru’s who have made truck loads of cash online. Who do you believe?
You can make money online and you will make money online and not only through adsense and traffic synergy especially if you are willing to put in the hours. There are however programs that automate a lot of the process these days but…..you have to spend money. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
Ultimately you want to own web real estate but you’ve got to learn the basics.
The free stuff is a good place to start and you will get a foundation but you have to pay for something, sometime to get to the real value stuff.
Adsense is the slowest way to make money online because first of all you need to learn how to find a market (niche) and then get the traffic. That could take a long time unless you are sure you are going to get x amount of hits per day from the word go.
Someone mentioned Profit Lance. Great course covering the whole foundation of internet marketing. They do say it’s an eduction and that’s exactly what it is.
My advice to anyone starting on the internet is to learn how to be an affiliate. Ask Chris, he is making good money from PROMOTING “trafficsynergy” on his site. Hence he mentions them so often. Traffic synergy is great. Nothing wrong.
I leave you with this. “give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”
Learn, learn, learn……..and if you made a mistake and were scammed. Nothing lost but a few bucks but boy did you gain some valuable knowledge as to what not to get involved in. If you’ve got to decide between buying a loaf of bread or buying into some program to make money. buy the bread. The right time to buy into anything is………wait for it……when you can afford it!!!!!
Oh yes. One more thing. The internet is a multi billion dollar industry. You can work from home and you can teach yourself to have a small little piece of that pie. “nothing ventured nothing gained”
And you can’t rely on ONE persons opionion.
Research, research, research……test, test, test
100% Spot On Craig, especially the “nothing ventured nothing gained” part.
Adsense might be a “slow way” to get started but to me Adsense is the most stable income compared to affiliate marketing. And once your Adsense sites are running they require much less effort from your side than the affiliate side.
You’re right about the stability of adsense income Pieter it’s just that you need the traffic to make it lucrative and of course the right niche. I’ve checked your site. Nice landing page. Maybe we can JV sometime. Local is lekker!!!
PIETER, I’ve just realised who you are now. We chatted once via PM on 30DC.
HI Craig, send me an email to pieter@earnextra.co.za
Hi Peter/Craig
Have you guys heard of richnhealthy.net? its also a work from home online program??? what do u recommend for a person who has never being in this business before?
oh sorry Pieter…didn’t mean to spell your name wrong
oh sorry Pieter…
Hi Cocoa, look at the site design and the script, I am sure it is also Herbalife, their sites all look the same
Does anyone know if this “Herbalife” makes money???
Cocoa, none of them makes you money.
You have to make money using one of them.
You cannot really say that one program is good and the other not. There are people making R100,000 or more per month from Herbalife and then there are those who never makes a cent. It all depends on YOURSELF. The same opportunity will make some people millionaires and others it will make poorer. So it is not the opportunity that makes you money.
Personally I never made money from Herbalife. But companies like Herbalife do offer the some of the best mlm training.
I personally do not like MLMs with real products like vitamins, herbs, soap, etc. because the products are way too expensive. It is expensive because they have to pay commission to many people. Because the product is expensive you go a hard time getting people to join.
I prefer a MLM which offer a service where the clients pay the same amount each month by debit order. The amount they pay must be affordable otherwise it is difficult to get people to join. The commission must be good enough so that you can break even very quickly, otherwise your clients won’t stay long. Look at things like ICI, The Passive Incomes Magazine or The Network Marketing College .
Do not make you decision on the sales pitch and promises on the web site you visit.
Herbalife’s a moerse can of worms. My mother got signed up, but after a few weeks attending conferences, she completely changed her behaviour.
She became incredibly defensive over Herbalife products, and used incredibly faulty logic to justify the R20k she spend buying products to resell.
My stepdad and I did some research, and basically presented her with the hard evidence – counter-testimonials, chemical contents of Herbalife products, and the fact that many of their “exclusive products” were available at 20% of the price off-the-shelf at public retailers.
When she finally realised wtf was going on, she resold all her stock to Herbalife and made a R2000 loss (they needed “handling fees” – BS, since we went straight to the bloody warehouse). Finally, her upline tried emotional blackmail on her, asking her how she expects to “support her family without selling Herbalife products”.
Just don’t fucking go there. Ever.
Cocoa,
I have to agree with Pieter. I have friends in MLM that are making a killing but then again I have friends that have made nothing. It all boils down to effort vs rewards. What you put in is what you get out and the guys who are making money worked very hard in the beginning to lay a good foundation.
I’ve mentioned Profit Lance before because that’s how I started out. It’s not something that’s going to make you money it’s something that’s going to teach you to make money and the basic’s of Internet Market and even more than the basics. There are a few other programs but the tools are not as effective and maybe to advanced if you don’t know the basics.
You need to learn how to fish so you can feed yourself and not rely on “programs” to make money for you.
Drop me a mail and I’ll push you in the right direction if you wish. craigsdomain@gmail.com
Hi
can I please have more info regarding Adsense,I read somewhere on the net and it talked about advertising,what I don’t understand is how do you get paid from it?
Hi Mimzo,
Click Here and you’ll see all the articles I’ve written on Adsense :)
Hi Wogan
Just what I said – in other words. He he. I totally agree with you. Stay away from Herbalife unless you know what you are doing!
@Joan I’d advise people to stay away from it completely, lol.
Thanks Chris.
Can somebody please help me! I also fell for the Herbalife scam – still waiting for my refund for 3 months now – where can I complain and to whom? Cheers
Karin
Hi Karin
Who did you order your package from?
Hi
I joned Hometrade http://www.hometrade.co.za (filing envelopse and typing lables. It cost me R460 when i got my books it was merely an instructional guide as to HOW you can make money this way. They do not give you the lists, they do not give you the work. I tried to contact them many times after joining but never got through to them!!! It is all a big scam!!!!
Hi
I also bought the herbalife decision package (R250) and then spent another R700 plus on the business, bringing the total to R950 plus. I got loads of emails and phonecalls from my supervisor/upline informing me of training workshops etc. The next step was too invest in stock which would probably have costs thousands of rands. I started having serious doubts and mailed my supervisor to inform him that i no longer want to continue and requested a refund (as was promised when i signed up)on what i had already spent . Needless to say i didnt hear from him again. Luckily for me i got out before spending the serious cash, like most people who have been dissapointed by herbalife have.
Cheers,
Melanie
I meant business package
Hi Gypsey,tragic but this happens all the time.
Report them to the Advertising Standards Authority.There are previous complaints against them which were upheld by the ASA authorities. Here is a link to read the complaint/s and the ASA’s ruling http://www.asasa.org.sa/ResultDetail.aspx?Ruling=1998
or Google Hometrade.co.za, the ASA link is also there.Check what hometrades terms are regarding a refund.This crowd is operating since the 90′s maybe even longer.
I have been doing a lot of research latetly and i noticed that everyone makes it sound so easy to make money online, and if its really that simple then why are people not joining in and making money, I just don’t get it. anyway am still seraching for the right programme (if there is such) that i can use to make money online. Any other suggestionos (besides what’s already mentioned)
Cocoa, maybe it’s just your wording that i’m reading into but quite simply nothing in life just makes you money. You’ve got to work to make money. The online industry is a MULTI BILLION DOLLAR industry and thousands of people join the online game daily. The truth is, is that you’ve got to first educate yourself about the online game. It really isn’t that difficult to learn and then you choose the kinda method you want to use to make money online.
Take the real world for instance. Find a product/service then you find premises to work from then you hope for feet to come into your premises and finally you make a sale….hopefully. It’s different online and much easier.
First you find the feet/traffic, then you find the premises/website/blog etc, then you put a product to it and then you make a sale……
But you have got to learn how to do this. The online principle remains the same except that once you have a client/visitor, if your service/product/content is of a high standard they will return.
ALL OF YOU………STOP!!!! looking for a program to make you money and rather find something that can teach you to make money online. EDUCATE yourself first. Check out some of Chris’ other posts and websites. He has a wealth of information. Alternatively drop me a line and i’ll point you in the right direction. craigsdomain@gmail.com
Craig, thanks for the response, I am not looking for any easy way to make money, I just don’t want to depend on my job(which i almost lost) to bring me income. I want other way of making money so that if anything happens to my job, I am able to still stand on my own.
I was looking for business ideas when I came across this blog and I became interested in the online business, I just don’t know any people that are doing this and when i ask and tell friends about it, they are not interested and believe everything about this business is a scam… but i don’t want to have that mind set. I am still keen on trying it out.
But I have to agree with you, there is no easy way to make money, I am a very hard worker and once i set my mind on something i make it happen.
I would really appreciate all the help I can get to get started.
Thanks for all the information Craig!
My pleasure.
Dear Chris M
Thank you for your blog. Without it I might have made a big mistake and lost a lot of money. I’ve just got the internet at home and decided to make a extra buck. Luckily a found this blog and saw that the most “work from home” adds make a quick buck off of us.
I’m a stay at home mom and wish to make extra money but see now that I have to learn a little more about the net and its wonders.
I also just want to say thanks to Joan and Wayne for there information and help. Joan if you need more admin workers let me know.
To the people trying to scam us on this blog. Boo to you. Herbalife and Sporttron are products that take a lot of money to start with and keeps taking a lot of money to stay with. Take it from me I was a Smile Education Consultant and they kept on asking us to buy products to show clients and after awhile removed it of the market and now they are bust.
Warren Lake if you have so much confidence in your product why did you not mention it in your first message??????? Why hide it??
Happy searching for that perfect job?
Belinda
Hi Belinda
The answer to your question goes as follows – When I first came across the opportunity, I make a decision (based on opinion) that the opportunity was not suited to me, and in fact was not suited to anybody. This was because I did not give myself the time to get hold of the facts.
I am sure you will agree – making a decision based on opinion is not a clever way to make a decision.
Fortunately, 2 years later, I found an opportunity and followed the research process. At the end, due to the facts I had gained, I decided that it had potential.
3 Months after getting started, I left my Job as my Part-Time income was greated than my Take home pay from my job in a Courier Business. My wife joined me 18 months later.
Because I took the time to research the opportunity, I have had the priviledge of working from home for the last 6 years and 11 months – if I hadn’t looked at the opportunity again and been able to make an educated decision, I would probably still be in the corporate world, battling through the traffic every day, working on somebody else’s dream as opposed to mine and that of my family.
Does this answer your question?
Warren Lake
@Belinda
Hi Belinda – I don’t offer admin work per se, but I have a website that offers information about doing admin work as a Virtual Assistant – a type of cyber secretarial job where you work for yourself. If you are interested in finding out more about it, please email me: joan@vaforhire.co.za and I will gladly point you in the right direction. Working for yourself sure beats working for a boss and this is the ideal kind of job for people who do not want to get involved in network marketing. If you have a computer and an internet connection, the world is your oyster :)
As for network marketing – one should not bash the concept – because it works if you do it right. It is just that not everyone is suited to it unfortunately and if you are not a people person as such you will battle making a success of it. Find something you love doing and try and turn that into a moneymaker. That way what you do will never be a JOB but a JOY :)
Belinda , Should you be interested I still work
but make about R2000.00 on the side by providing interested parties with fax to mail numbers. Research has shown that a large portion of South Africans still requires this service and the beauty of it is that it is absolutely free and requires no setup.I have struck a deal with a large Company and get 20c
per minute for each fax that is remitted throughmy database. I then pay my agents 10c per fax number that they refer.The R2000.00 is after I have paid my agents. you are welcome to visit my Website at http://www.jcfax.co.za or drop me an e mail at chrisroets@gmail.com.
The trick here is to build a database as you go
along .It takes time but it is easy to give this service and it buils up all the time creating a passive income for life .
Dear Chris M
Thank you for saving me a lot of time and effort. I’m just another “work from home” wanneby mainly because I desperately need to supplement my income since my husband, who is sickly, was retrenched.
I’ve spent most of today reading thru this blog and had a whole lot of questions answered. I’m still no closer to knowing what will do the trick but at least I’ve been spared being scammed by Herbalife for 1 and Projct 21. I came that close to signing up.
I’m no fundi and very very new at this and therefore a target waiting to be zapped.
Thank you
Elizabeth
Dankie CHRIS M jy het my bas ook gered soos die ander.( verskoon as ek Afrikaans praat)
Ek is n gewese boer wat weens gesondheid my plaas
moet verhuur en ek kan nie my seun help om met dit aan te gaan nie en werk hy maar vir karige salarisie.Die inkomste uit huurgelde word te klein om te oorleef en doen my vrou troues (baie harde werk ) naweke maar sy is uiters gewild en volbespreek tot April 2009. Troues vind plaas te Lechwe Lodge, KROONSTAD en kan besoek word op http://www.lechwelodge@act.co.za Ek wil ook iets begin het op die net maar is bly ek het jul artikels gelees en sal ligloop.
BAIE DANKIE VIR JUL ARTIKELS EN WAARSKUWINGS en ek gaan gereeld op jou site ingaan–Vic
My Email adres kan jy maar wys dis annet@zedport.com as iemand graag tips vir my wil stuur baie baie dankie
Hello Guys. This has really been an interesting forum. Thanks for a great site. I think a major problem many people have with Network Marketing is that they are not prepared to put in the effort required to achieve the results.
I have been involved with a company, ProviNet for close on 2 years, http://www.my-dream-life.co.cc and I am amazed by the number of people who sign up and expect to see money roll into thier bank accounts before they even make an effort to work thier business.
Yes I do agree and understand that the structures of companies like Herbalife and their system of operation has turned many off Network Marketing. Yet Network Marketing is still a viable industry.
ProviNet has helped me achieve a truly passive income. I’m no millionaire, but the income from the business currently covers its expenses and a few household expenses. The best part is that I have yet to work hard at it.
Wake up guys. All these things are scams and that include the ones that Chris M promotes.
I would not call them scams but I would call them very difficult and highly competitive. With something like “traffic synergy” you are competing against highly skilled affiliates to try to get a commission. To do that you need extensive knowledge and a substantial amount of time. You would need a substantial amount of time and/or money to get a decent ranking for the words “home loan”, the same for “car hire”.
To do well with anything on the internet you need good RANKING – preferably the first 3.
You may ask why people promote affiliate programs – the answer is simple – they often get a commission for recruiting new members.
Abie clearly knows what he is talking about because he is an experienced internet marketer and a work from home participater. NOT!!!!
Years ago people said cellphones would never take off and now every 2nd person has one, the same applies to the internet.
Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it. And if you’ve failed at something then perhaps you didn’t give it your all or made some mistakes.
Some of work from home opportunities are scams but there are alot of legit online businesses. Affiliate programs work beyond a reasonable doubt, however you need the keywords to promote them. You can’t target keywords for your website that has hundreds of thousands of competition. Trust me, Chris is making a good bit of cash on his affiliate stuff and the reason for that is because he is getting the traffic.
Hi all
I ended up here being asked by a customer to research one of these famous systems that make kazillions in a month. No matter how hard I try to tell people it’s either a scam or is going to require HARD WORK, TIME and probably more money, the more I realize how bad things really are and that intelligent people will take a chance because they are simply “raadop” It is true, people make money with the net, but we can’t all be doctors or million dollar lawyers etc., and we can’t all make money on the Net – as simple as that. My 5c worth – Stick to what you know, enjoy and what you are good at. That doesn’t mean you can’t improve yourself or learn new things, it is important that you do, but when you read that next sales letter about how easy it is, even a 5 year old can do it, listen to that voice that tells you “this is not me” or ask a 5 year old – he probably won’t fall for it!!
Why am I writing here?
I’m planning on setting up a secretarial service somewhat similar to the the va concept early next year.
Recruitment of the the pa’s was only supposed to happen after completion of the detailed business model /plan, (Jan 09), but I decided to see if anyone here would be interested in joining. You’ll be able to work from home – anywhere.
I own a franchise (brick & mortar) providing business services and running now for close on 6 years . I don’t know if I can put my URL here, but it’s only for the purpose of showing you that this is a real business and that you will be doing real work for real people. http://www.3at1bloemfontein.com
I can’t place more details here, but please e-mail me (bftn@3at1.co.za)if you are interested.
Good Luck to all
Lizette
Here you go guys. Use the net as a tool.
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/11/how-to-make-mon.html
Seth Godin is a master, his writing are definitely worth following, so I’ll second Craig’s motives here.
Hi there
Have been browsing through all your comments and fully agree but also disagree. There are many legitimate opportunities and as far as networking marketing goes, I believe you need a far superior product in order to make it work. As has been said, like anything in life- you cannot expect to sit back and watch the money roll in but if you are prepared to put in a couple of hours a day, talk to people and get it rolling, many of these really do work. I would be very wary of any opportunity that asks for money upfront.
Hope you all have an awesome day
CATHI
Cathi – I agree with you, doing something and sitting back and expecting money just won’t happen, not unless you build an extremely unique and sturdy foundation.
You say there are “many legitimate opportunities”, would you care to share?
Thanks for the comments everyone, this thread is really collecting some great content!
Cathi has expressed a truth that I think many of us choose to ignore, “…like anything in life- you cannot expect to sit back and watch the money roll in…”
Our greedy and lazy natures cause us to respond to the ads that tell us thousands can be made just by signing up.
That is a fairytale and when we believe those claims we lie to ourselves. Network Marketing is still a viable industry, but like any business, it requires effort to get it going…
http://www.my-dream-life.co.cc
Louis Mulder ,i am also interested in buying the blueprints from Nick Laight’s What Really Makes Money!Is it worth it?
Felix
Hi all,
Chris has asked me to elaborate a bit but I would not like to paste any links on this site. I am involved with a multibillion dollar company with really superior products (and no- it is not Herbalife). They have been operating in the country since February but have been around for 24 years. Their products all have patents and so cannot be copied. There are no startup costs but obviously the distributor is encouraged to start using the products in order to speak from experience. The commission structures are also far superior to any others I have seen. There are FREE
SO SORRY – SUBMITTED TOO EARLY. I was saying there are FREE
Can’t believe it- lets try AGAIN!!! There are FREE business opportunity meetings/demos around the country. For any further info, you are welcome to contact me on cathi1@mweb.co.za. Hope you all have an awesome day
Hi Felix, Louis also recieved snail mail about Nick’s “What Really Makes Money” your opinion(s) on this would greatly be appreciated.
Wayne
Do you know the “The Profit Lance Automated Wealth Course” program?
Regards.
Jan.
Admin – Jan, please would you review the site here, apposed to just sending out URLs. Thanks mate!
Do Anyone got some info on Nick Laight’s What Really Makes Money?I am interested but i do not want to waste money on business plans that are not practicable
Thanks
Hi Jan
I know the course well. This is where I started my internet marketing career. If you need some feedback then drop me a mail at craigsdomain@gmail.com
Hi Felix,
I subscribed to What really makes money and there is good information there although it may not set you up straight away…alot to be learnt though..more importantly you do actually get something in return!
Hi Chris,
Great site..been through a whack of fake WFH opportunities as well so relate well. I have found something though which is going to be really big! I know this as i am in comms daily with the designers and master mind behind it all and the marketing plan is really fantastic. It is MLM with residual and SA only as the product is SA orientated with security. But heres the deal. Once you have a couple of people on, it literally self markets, not online but via cell. Also whats great there are no info packages and sign up fees etc. I dont want to expalin here, no space, but can i post my mail address for further info??
Hey Garth,
Thank you for your kind words, it’s always lovely to hear that my readers are happy and not being scammed so much anymore!
Perhaps drop me an email and let me know more about what you found and we can then think about publishing it..
What you think?
I see a lot of the things Nick Laight from “What really makes money” suggests on his site is eBay based. As far as I know South Africans cannot open an eBay account. Is that still the case or have things changed since?
Hi Garth,
Thanks for info about WRMM, I would also be interested to hear about the MLM biz opprtunity via cell, but mail Chris first and we can contact after that.
Wayne
I subscribed to What Really Makes Money just to test it and see what they suggest. I am not impressed at all. It gives you some ideas but no proper guidance to what to do. One example: There is an article about 21 “booming businesses you can start for under R1,000″
It gives you examples like Cleaning windows, cleaning cars, handyman, etc. Like under Cleaning windows it tells you “Once this business is off the ground, you could have teams of people cleaning windows for your company all over town, both at people’s houses or offices” And that is it, that is all they say.
In the same brochure on page 6 they have an article on how to make money by writing articles which is a bit inaccurate especially the part about how you can earn money from Adsense with your articles.
Hiya, agreed, a little sorry that i endorsed it also as some of the articles seem to have some fair ideas. However having got a little more into it, can’t really say it’s for me. Since then i have determined that they are charging you to market there own ideas, products etc and really just charging you for snail mailing and printing (in the internet age!). There is a unsubcribe facilty on there web and guarantee. They didnt respond to my unsubscribe yet…. we’ll see!
Hallo!
Have anyone tried out http://www.richlife.co.za/fortune?Is it a scam?
Regards
Iwan
Hiya Iwan, It’s def. Herbalife, recognize some of the pics so not a scam. You might want the info, see if it’s for or not. Hardcore sales though and not easy!
Hi Iwan
If you can take time to read through all the comments here, you will find quite a lot dealing with richlife/herbalife.
Chris!
Your forum has saved me many bucks and frustrations – baie dankie!
My story:
I decided to investigate ways “to make money using the Internet”. Being of the older generation (65+!) I decided to do my research before spending ANY money. I also know very little about things like blogs, websites, network marketing, Adsense, Google Adds, Click Bank, SEO, MLM and all these wonderful terms. Being a professionally qualified person myself I realised I needed to find a “professional” course to use as a guide to internet marketing.
My research took me 6 weeks. From your blog (and the young participants!) I gained many pointers and advice. I soon realised that marketing schemes such as Herbal Life is not for me. (Hardcore sales are tough and not easy! – Life According to GARTH). I am not a marketer and the base of the pyramids of such schemes may already be to big!
Maybe I was just lucky, but amongst all the presentations on the net I found the course I was looking for (don`t ask me how as I don`t always know what I`m doing ?) – with an 8 weeks pay back policy that is genuine (as far I could establish). I was hesitant to spend a the money, especially in these difficult times, but I did it.
I was promised that I would have to WORK HARD, LEARN, AQUIRE SKILLS and if I wanted to make a QUICK BUCK I should get off the course and forget it. I liked the approach.
This is not an e-book but a system. Also you don`t HAVE to spend additional money until you have acquired the skills (your choice). I have just started and already have websites running – provided in the course for free.
Now for the HARD WORK. I know it`s going to take lots of time for an old Ballie like me – but I can`t wait for 2009!
Internet voorspoed vir 2009!
Johan
Hi Johan,
That’s fantastic to hear, I’m glad I could assist in your venture into online marketing. One thing which is great is that there’s no such thing as making a quick buck, unless you’re extremely lucky and hit a niche market, which is getting rarer and rarer.
Please keep in touch and let me know how your venture goes, I would be really interested.
Good luck!
I found myworkfromhomepro to be a great outfit, these guys have really applied themselves to helping new members! $174 to join but when you get a sale (which they close for you) you receive $150. They use the 2up system which means that you will get $150 over and over again from the sales of other. Making money from home just got that much easier with this home business opportunity.
They supply new members with email scripts, banners, and “The Academy” designed to help you succeed. There is the FREE 10 day trial to take so that you can see what it is all about!
Overall, not a bad money making business, and it is easy!
Simon Butler
http://www.myworkfromhomepro.co.za
I signed up for MyWorkFromHomePro and so far I’m quite impressed. There are no hidden secrets and the system is very straight forward.
MyWorkFromHomePro has a wonderful academy filled with useful information to get you started and the best part is that once you sign up, everything is ready for you.
It does cost $150, but making that back takes just a few sales and then you’ll have broken even.
I think it’s worth a look!
Hi
Thank you very much for such an excellent blog, I stumbled upon it by accident and I really found it extremely useful.I am currently researching ways on how to make money via the web and this has helped me spot quite a few scams.
I am definitely going to use this as future reference.
Sure thing Irene, I’m so glad I could help you on your venture :)
Best of luck!
Interesting to see that this topic is still being discussed after all this time!!
Back in December 2007 I posted a comment here, agreeing with Cris about all the BS out there. Strangely enough I decided to try out a free system and have made over R2000 from it within the first few months. This being said… I’m not getting rich quick, and its hard work, but it actually works!! and I am going to work hard at it to bring in more passive income.
I’m not very keen on spamming a friends blog with work from home opportunity URL’s so I wont paste the link here, but if anyone does want more into then drop me an email at david@sfimga.com ;-)
P.S. Happy new year Chris, haven’t spoken to you in ages, hope all is well!!
i have just joined hbiz online due to job loss last year and after reading your page today i am seriously stressing out about it. i am desperate for work as i am a single mom of two and need to pay school fees and other things for my kids. i have applied to so many different companies and none of them have the decency to get back to a person and tell you that you are not suitable for the position. is there anyone that could help me out with a web site to work from home of something like that i was a legal typist but due to the SOB’S that i have worked for that have not paid me for what i have done i had no option but to stop working. i would be very grateful if someone could suggest any solution for me thank you so much
Hi Theresa
Sorry to hear about your problems.
I have a job opportunity that you could be interested in seeing that you were a legal typist.
You can e-mail me on gumi@telkomsa.net and I will give you more information.
The previous comment of David also suggests an income opportunity.
Hiya Theresa, tapping into the work from from home bus is tough! Been at it for a few years as well. I have some info on a local product for cell phones (not going to post here) but send me through a mail hwg@telkomsa.net and i will send you a link to have a look at. Not a quick fix or legal, but in some time the income will be enough to keep things going!
Cheers
Garth
@David – Happy New Year bud, it’s been months since we chatted, I was worried that something was not going well in your life, so excellent to hear from you. I accepted your MSN request, so hopefully we can chat. It’s interesting to see that you’re going for the work from home route, nice to hear that it’s working for you!
@Theresa – Shame hun, it’s an ongoing issue with all these scamming websites. This year I’m going to be working on a book about all of this, and will hopefully be able to get it published. I don’t want to give away too much, but it would be a book, which will help you get started and build a foundation for working from home. I’m sorry it’s not ready yet and I wish you best of luck for the year ahead – School fees are horribly expensive :(
@Elsie – That’s really great of you, I’d love to hear what comes of it and hopefully Theresa can get back on track with her life.
@Garth – Your mobile thing is a good plan, it relies heavily on the ability of a person to be able to market, but it’s a great product and if you have resources to a great product, half the marketing work is done already.
Thanks for the comments everyone, it’s fantastic to see people helping other people during this difficult period we are all facing!
Hi Chris
Since I started reading the comments on this post a few months ago, I have actually managed to start a business and with all the new knowledge I gained while looking at similar businesses, I realised that there is a lot of potential jobs out there, you just have to take time to study and then decide on a few good ones and most of all, stay focused when you made your decision.
I mentioned it before that I had all these free e-books on money making, affiliate marketing, PLR and resell rights, e-courses to build opt-in lists, etc., etc., but they were just that. I did not take time to really read and put it to the test, until a few months ago and what a revelation it was! I was sitting on top of the goldmine but did not do any digging…
In a way the time that I spend reading through everything, following links, visiting sites and signing up for a few programs, was worth it. I now know where I want to go with my internet business and 2009 WILL be my year!!!
I really hope Theresa comes back to see if somebody has given her some advice and that she will write to me.
Thank you too for this wonderful informative site and for all the people who share their experiences and advice with everybody else.
Is it ok if I say a special thank you to Joan Masterson? If not, you can delete this sentence, but this lady really knows what she is talking about!
May this year be the one in which we all become financially independent working from home.
Elsie, I couldn’t agree with you more!! Admittedly there are some bad schemes out there but there are also great, legit ways to build a passive income, just do some research, give it a try, you will succeed if you believe!
Here’s wishing everyone a prosperous new year!!
David.
just spent about 2 hrs reading thru’ this blog! Great stuff. All because I googled RICHNHEALTHY………..enuf said.Has anyone first hand knowledge of U-care (for Saffies only)I joined up after doing some serious inside out and upside down investigating and can’t fault it. Found them very upfront and seriously good at prompt replies to all my questions.Just wonder if any one has other enlightened info ( not uneducated opinions…..)that I might have missed.My ex is convinced it is a fraud……..he’s a financial advisor.
Hi Suzanne, I have to admit, upon looking at the website, I too feel that it’s not a good one, it’s got that generic feel to it, which always puts me off. However, I could be wrong, but I, personally, would not get involved on that one..
Hi Chris and everyone else on the blog!
Like most people who want to work from home, I have wasted and lost R250, thinking it was legit. I have been unemployed for a year and things are currently very tough for me and my two boys as i just cannot find any work. I want to do data capturing but see that that is the worst scam of all when being advertised to do it from home. I now got a new website to check out http://www.paydot.com, has anyone heard of it. It seems so legit but i really cannot be sure. Can anyone confirm? I am really so desperate now!! Thanks.
Hi Cindy
paydot.com is a legit company. What do you intend to do. It’s an affiliate centre. You will have to learn affiliate marketing and most of the time you need a website or blog like this Brilliant one as a vehicle. Then you’ve got to learn the basics of online marketing.
Chris is one of the few South Africans that do this well. I’m sure he can shed some light. It’s a process but if you are willing to learn and with time you will make money.
The only problem is that as South Africans you can’t access your commisions via paypal. I haven’t totally checked out paydot but some of these company’s pay by cheque. Clickbank is another good one and they pay by cheque.
Good luck and hang in there.
Hi Craig
Actually I got the website address from someone via Gumtree and clicked on it and now have noticed that it redirects me to this website my-data-team.com.
Do you know anything about them? I am really just looking to do data capturing at this time, which is what the above company is offering.
Hiya Cindy,
Agreed with Craig. Is legit but you have to have some serious online experience, usable blog/forum/website to drive traffice to them etc. All of this can cost a bit to get off the ground, more so with the learning and is gonna take time
Cindy,
I can’t say much for mydatateam. It looks like another, dare i say it, “scam” but don’t hold me to it. I personally wouldn’t go there.
Why don’t you advertise yourself as a freelance data capturer? Charge an hourly rate so you ultimately work for yourself.
Agreed, really dont like look of that either. Why a gumtree add anyway? Must have affiliate properties also. By the way the SCAM X logo on the bottom holds VERY LITTLE ground
This is something a lot of people miss – when it comes to most of these programs, they are legit and people earn a nice amount of money monthly from them, but there’s a problem and let me compare to a real life example instead of a whole lot of online jargon.
I live in the city and I have bought a store on a good street in order to start a business. Now, some people will see it from the road, but others won’t. Now, the first thing I need to decide is what am I going to sell or offer? I could go to shops like Makro or Game and look for products and then order them in bulk to get a good discount. I can then place the goods in the store and hope people buy them. Ok, with online, at least we don’t need capital, but, to get people to buy the goods, it’s all up to marketing. Now, not everyone can market and marketing isn’t free, a good sized budget is needed to market. This is the same for online marketing, you can find a product or a service to resell, but then it’s completely up to you to do all the marketing and it’s harder online. Offline you could print fliers and paste them around the streets, online it’s a little tricker, it’s more about making lots of little websites and then “pasting” them into search engines. Like a busy street which sees lots of people, you need a busy keyword which sees lots of people and in order to do that, you need good SEO experience, which most people don’t have.
It’s a big problem with working online and trying to earn a living or supplement an income. I earn a 5 figure amount per month working online on systems like these and so forth, but I have 10+ years of experience building websites and I work full time as an SEO, so I have that knowledge. Whereas, I assume most people starting out won’t know how to make a website, let alone get it online and if they get across that hurdle, how on earth do you put it in Google, Yahoo and other search engines?
I worry for all of you who are trying to do this, because it’s not easy at all and these systems don’t teach you properly.
That said, I’m working on something over the next several months, which I hope is going to change all of this and will give everyone a chance to get a website, put it online and learn the basics of how to go about making some extra money.
I’ll publish my information as soon as it’s ready and will probably run a competition to give it away to a couple of you to try out :)
Stay posted! Thank you for all the comments, it’s amazing to have a thread so jam packed with fantastic information :)
Hi again.
That sound really interesting.
If you need anyone to test anything out for you you can always email me. I am a student so I also have slightly more time on my hands.
Also I am still searching the web and reading up on it. What do you think about http://www.thesitewizard.com. That guy seems to have some really good information on how to get things started.
Thanks.
Irene
Hi Irene,
Thank you for the offer, it’s going to be a while still, but I’ll remember, don’t you worry :)
The Site Wizard is a pretty good resource. I’ve seen the site before, but not explored it entirely. One needs to be careful of locations, if the author is in the US, then his information might not apply directly to South Africans, and so forth. A simple thing like this could become a problem after investing a couple weeks of reading and what do you do when you run into a problem a few weeks down the line. I’m not saying this is a sure case, and I’m sure most of his information is relevant, so reading and learning will never harm you!
Keep well and enjoy the reading :)
Chris
Thank you for your kind comments on 31 December 2008. You asked me to keep you informed about my progress with my course/system which I enrolled for. I will try to do that regularly. But – let me support you in your latest remarks – it is hard work (especially at my age where my short term memory tends to fade). Now where was I. .? Um aa – Oh yes. Hard work – and I can never match your 10 years of experience. But by the time I`m 70 I will have a few years experience!
It is possible to learn the techniques of on line marketing. BUT – be prepared to invest not only time, but also money. Budget at least R900 to start, find a good course/system and work at it. Budget at least another R500 for the next 3 months and don`t expect any income within this time frame. After 3 months – maybe? As Chris says – its all about marketing – but only after you have found your special niche. For experience, start a simple blog – this can be done for free. At least I have been able to do that in my amateurish way and learned a lot (if I may Chris – see http://blogkickstart.blogspot.com).
If you are serious – kickstart with a free blog. If the Old Ballie can do it, you can! It is also clear to me that from this forum a lot of advice and support can be gained – so use it.
Hi all,
I have been doing my research on the online business, and came across “autopilots”, any one heard of it?
HI,
Thanks for all the input, there really seems to be a lot of “get rich quick”- owner schemes, they seem to get all the payments upfront, and deliver O back. Thank for all the time you have put in to help “stupid” people who do not have money, and need money, not help enrich these “skelms”, I hope that these “scam owners”, will get there due.
Regards
Mary
HI! CHRIS M
WHAT A INFORMATIVE SITE YOU HAVE HERE,I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INFO ON “WHAT REALLY MAKES MONEY”.I’M ABOUT TO REGISTER AS A MEMBER,IS IT WORTH WHILE.
THX
NEVILLE
I subscribed to it and I think it is not worth what you are paying for it. The material is not comprehensive and is not of much help. It tells you what you can do to make money but does not tell you how. I am about to unsubscribe again.
Another thing is that you pay for the info but then they also bombard you with more offerings all the time.
Rather take your money and buy Pieter’s eBook at http://www.passive-income.co.za . He gives you much more info.
Hiya Neville, agreed with John, you actually paying money to be marketed to really. At first i was a little impressed, but the stuff followed after wasn’t great.
Unsubbed also
Can South Africans sell on eBay?
As far as I know you can register for eBay but in order to sell you need a PayPal account and PayPal do not accept South African accounts.
That’s an interesting question John. I don’t see why not, I guess it boils down to the whole banking thing, we can’t have PayPal accounts, so how would money get transferred to our accounts? EFT’s are too expensive when coming from overseas..
Seems like PayPal is the only way to accept payment on eBay and if you cannot have a PayPal account you cannot accept payments. But I see “What Really Makes Money” suggest using eBay as one of the ways to make money?????
I do not know what PayPal’s issue is with SA banks. Why can we then have Clickbank and Moneybookers accounts and not PayPal. I think PayPal is just about the only one who do not like South Africans.
John, it’s not that you can’t have a paypal account it’s just that you won’t really be able to access the cash that gets paid in there. You can inturn just use the cash in paypal to pay for other things online.
It’s not that paypal don’t like south africans it’s the sa banks that have issues filtering money out the country via your paypal account. Clickbank pay by cheque which you can bank in your sa bank account.
Perhaps if you’ve already signed up for “what really makes money” you might want to test if you can and are making money on ebay with your paypal account. If it works then you need to be creative about accessing your commissions from paypal. If it doesn’t work then you’ve lost nothing but have a paypal acc to pay for other things.
Hi Chris
I wanted to learn more about Making Money On Line, found your forum last year and studied ALL the comments – this helped me to avoid the many scams out there. Eventually I bought the Profitlance Training System on 28 December 2008 for close to R900. Previously (31 Dec 2008) you proposed that I provide occasional feedback, so here goes:
There is an 8 weeks pay-back gaurantee but I am keeping the product. WHY?
As a complete newbie, I have now seen that there is an awful lot to learn and apply. I am doing the theory and gaining a working knowledge of how to make money from the Internet. I am also doing the projects provided in the course. I have started a blog for a test, published an article at Ezine and elsewhere; I have up to 15 sites running as set up for me automatically during the course, I have activated Adsense and Clickbank; I have learnt to do hunt for keywords and do niche research; registered at social sites; etc, etc.
I have not yet registered my own domain(s) and created my own websites as this will mean additional moola. I have not made any money yet. Of course I have also picked up a lot of additional useful knowledge from the internet (such as from your sites!).
Hard work? YES!! Patience? YES!!
I have put in 197 hours of work at the computer since 28 December 2008. At 8 hours per day that is nearly 25 full days.
As you know too well the difficult part now is to generate traffic to the sites I was
presented with. Using the techniques described in the course I should succeed.
Critisism? Of course, but I will leave that for a next time. In the mean time I am enjoying this and I can recommend the course/system to anyone who is serious about
acquiring the right skills to EVENTUALLY make money on line.
Making a quick buck – forget it! Rather invest in a proper training system and learn the many skills required to make a success.
John & Graig
About Paypal – Graig has made a very good proposal. Would like to know the results should anyone do the test!
Johan, that’s absolutely fantastic in my opinion, learning the skills is the most important part and you seem to be doing that.
A lot of my mentors often said to me “skills first, money second” and it took a great deal of self control to do that.
Once you start moving onto your own websites, that’s when things will start moving.
I’m busy working on a system, which will hopefully teach everyone how to do all of this, from the very beginning all the way to the end – I’ll let you know once I’m there.
Anyway, thanks a million for coming back and adding even more value to this thread, I hope others will benefit from this as well!
Keep going, I’m sooo glad to hear your feedback!
Chris
Your comments give me the feeling I am on the right track!
You also previously made the following comment (see Jan 8): “Whereas, I assume most people starting out won’t know how to make a website, let alone get it online and if they get across that hurdle, how on earth do you put it in Google, Yahoo and other search engines?” These are typically the things I am learning in ProfitLance – and much more.
A criticism of ProfitLance and similar courses is that they are USA orientated – of course, because that must at present be the biggest English market. Often I must try to adapt what I learn to SA conditions.
That is why I am really looking forward to YOUR PRODUCT which I hope will present local solutions in terms of the global set-up!
hi Chris
Thanks for the infor, it has been an eye opener for me, am short of cash at the moment, i was abt to joint one of this richlife scam, thank u so much, i will keep tuning in, there so many questions still to ask u, thank u to u all. Amo
Hi chris: I am a new-comer on the side yet find so much intresting information and from all other members on this site.
Few days ago I subsribed to What really makes money and I have not yet got a respond.Can u tell me How do I unsubscribe quikly cause what I learnened so far is to be very carefull.
I rather stick to familiar siets and people that of mzinsi4Sure….
Hi Mamzo, unfortuantely I can’t easily tell you how to unsubscribe. Perhaps look out for the next email they send you and then look at the bottom of the email for an ‘unsubscribe’ link..
Hiya use this mail address, wrm@fsp.co.za to unsubscribe from wrmm.
(Hope it was ok to post that chris??)
Cheers
All good :)
Hi Chris,
I first of all want to thank you ALOT for your blog that I stumbled upon, when I wanted to find out more about http://www.hbiz.co.za. I immediately saw your link and came upon your blog. I’ve read a few posts, and are REALLY interested, but are TOTAL NEW to this venture!!!
Does one have to have a website running to make your first $ online? Where can I start?
Thank you
Hi Chris and hi to all, i am glad as well to have come across this website, i work full time for a well none company based in JHB for 18 months, this is my first job in this country, i came from Moz and i am married to SA, i am pregnant and i am going to have my baby in May, i have beeing paying uif for all this time, to now have found out that i wont be getting the benefits from the uif when on maternity leave that will be 4 months because i dont have SA citizenship, how unffair!!
i really am worried to how we will overcome our
bills during this 4 months, i dont know how to create my own website so i could try the absense or traffic synergy, maybe i can ask my my husband to help me, but please explain more in detail what to do exactly there and how.
please help!
Hi Riz, I am also completely new to this but at least I have started a blog as an exercise for myself. On this site I have step by step instructions to start a blog for free – and also a video. Click on the face in the top left corner of this message to get to the site.
Good luck!
Hi all, is there anyway that Tammy can contact me? She posted on 5th August ’08 and it seemed like she had a good experience with Wealthy Affiliates, and I would really like to chat to someone that has. Or anyone else? Please?
Thank you
Thanks Joan, will give it a shot.
Hi Chris!
I think that just from the responses that you have had (umm, over 2 years worth) to this dilema, it appears that perhaps in addition to your existing on-line marketing business….you should start a business offering work-from-home opportunities
All legitimate of course!
KG.. I’ve been thinking about it to be honest. Starting a website and running an academy per say..
Does any body knows the Homebiz Group (South Africa)?
Hi Ann
Yes – BIG scam. Run, don’t walk away from it!
If you are looking for something do from home legitimately in the line of secretarial work etc, you can learn at my website how to do so. Just click on my name above and it will take you to the website. When you get there just download the VA FAQ guide from the entry page.
Good luck :)
Joan
Hi Guys! I have been following this blog for a year now! I have joined a program that I actually got paid out! It states that you join and do nothing. Well you actually just put in like 5 minutes of work a day and socialise with the other members. I was very sceptical at first and I am a bit still. But I atleast have been paid over $300 for my measily $10 investment. I joined in October and was only paid now the end of January. Its definitly not a scam but it takes awhile to get the cash in your hands. I would recommend it to anyone who has no experience and patient to wait atleast 2 months to get a return on your investment.If anyone is interested I will post the link.
Ok Johnathan, what is it, spit it out, let’s have it.
Can you give us a link?
I’m also curious. Please do us a favour and share a NON affiliate link please Johnathan..
Hi Jonathan,
Well done, please share with us. Thanks.
Hi Guys! There is an affilliate program at this site but I dont use it as I am not good at marketing. The site is http://www.cashflowbot.com. If anyone does join or would like more info I would be happy to help. I honestly do not know how this company makes money to pay out there members but I have been paid! Because honestly…U really do nothing on this site to make money.If anyone joins best of luck! It was $9.95 when I joined this program back in October but its $14,95 now. There have been so many updates to this website since I have joined and it looks good.
Interesting Jonathan, let’s hope someone can come and give us some advice!
HI Johnathan. Looks interesting but always a little suspicious when you dont know what it is and getting money on top of it!. Have you been able to draw the money from the account to SA? Curious cause the site and the one payment site look like same guys? (not confirmed)
I have an alertpay account. They paid the money into my alertpay account and then Alertpay pays straight into my bank account.
Nice!!! Might just give it a bash..
Hi Jonathan
Can you she more light as to how that program works.
Hi guys
Enjoying your comments here, very interesting!
Found a nice informative site on offerforge. great affiliate program for south africans
i got paid R202 last month Woo-Hoo!
Nice work Gerald!
hi all
I’m completely new to the whole e-biz world,and have learnt alot from the comment here
I have a question though, this might be a little off the topic – does anyone have any experience with moneybookers, how long does it take to withdraw money from them into my bankaccount?
I love gambling online, and have made successful deposits and withdrawls from the casino’s but i’ve never withdrew money from moneybookers to my account
any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks
They obviously as all programs have an affiliate program(which I am not interested in). Then they set-up a website for you similar to theirs and if someone joins from your site, your account will be credited. They show you how to advertise but adwords can be costly. Then my favourite…They have a money cycler. You put money in it then your money doubles after a certain number of days. Max has been 5 days for me. Apparently risk free. You can either deposit money into your account or you can use the balance in your account(made from affiliate or sales income) to put in the cycler. OR what I have done for a member that I signed up. Members can send each other money from there account balances, so I just sent him some money in my account then he used it to double it in the cycler.Then he paid me back. The only thing about this site as said before is that it is slow on withdrawing money from your account. I have quite a big balance so I dont mind helping people out as I know I cant withdraw all the money. You can only have one withdraw at a time to a max of $2,500. Hope that helps. I also looked at this site http://www.3900income.com anyone tried it? And I almost signed up for that pushbuttonextreme.com and saw on google how people complained about it. Best of luck to everyone.
I’ve joined Generosity through prosperity! You donate R150 and hope you get it back!! Got R500 in over two weeks!!! Hope to get more
Great site thanks….what a mission to sift through the Internet mire to find something genuine where one can make some money just to manage and be content. No need for a fortune.
It’s my pleasure, glad I can provide some good information :)
Here is a way you can start your own online dating site and profit from it. The site is rather easy to setup and it is almost free. All you have to pay for is for the domain registration.
Have a look at
http://www.worlddatingpartners.com/
OK so I have gone through all this info…at the end of the day what does it come down to?
I could help noticing that Pieter’s post on the dating site originally had the link as
XXX and now it has been changed to the worldating link. Is it general practice to change users’ comments to suit the blog owner?
Hi! Everybody
Anybody heard of me2everyone.com,is this a scam
or the real thing.To join is free and they give you virtual free shares, refer others and your shares grows
Don’t worry John, I also noticed it. I guess the owner just do not want others to make money from his blog.
I do not like calling anything a scam unless I investigated it properly, but in this case I would not get too excited about the promise of all these shares. I might be wrong but seems fishy. It reminds me of previous sites with a similar concept. In the end they use it to harvest email addresses and then sell it again.
But I mean, it is for free so you have nothing to loose, it does not hold a financial risk to you, but personally I would not spend my valuable time on it
@John, it’s quite simple, this thread was not created for people to come and plop affiliate links. As much as I appreciate the information that was being shared, it still linked to an affiliate program. Secondly, the reason the link was changed, was because worlddatingpartners.com is a direct link to a website, which then allows you to sign up as an affiliate, thus avoiding any users signing up under other users.
If the author of the comment is interested, he can write up a comment here explaining exactly what the system is that he uses and then place a link, but the information stays on here.
It’s as simple as that.
Neville
IMHO if they tell you that you can make money by joining for free there is something up. How can they make money if you don’t pay anything? I mean think for yourself. Half of nothing is still nothing. Or like the one teacher used to say to her pupil – if you multiply f*all by f*all you still have f*all – get the picture :)
Its amazing how many people fall for stuff like that all because it is “free”- believe me – you pay in some other way. Either they use your email address to send you more junk offers or they sell your address to safe lists etc.
I would give place like that a wide berth…
Hi everyone
Joan I could’t help laughing when I read your response to Neville especially the “teacher pupil part”.
I guess as per the discussions on this blog some time back and as per Chris and Joan’s and many other fellow bloggers here the fact is whether you go electronic or you are out there punting in the streets nothing comes for free. Nobody is going to give you money, you have to earn it. Its the ole “survival in the jungle” thing. Who ever heard of a lion giving a gazelle some grass to eat!?. The wakeup call is its survival of the fittest. The good news is if you are cunning imaginative and put effort in rewards will come.
Well said Joan. It is a pitty that it mostly is the “free”, “quick buck” or “do nothing for something” concepts that draws the most attention.
Hi Jonathan,
Re: cashflowbot.com
With regard to your Alertpay acc, is it a personal or business acc?
Regards
Wayne
Hi I am looking for something to do on the side just an hour or so now and then even daily…has anybody come up with anything legit? Seriously I want nothing major just a few extra rands to pay for my DSTV and movies and give my elderly dad some spending money. Any ideas? I dont really want to set up my own big business as my current job is hectic or maybe this can lead to something later…
Hi Wayne.
I use a business account but a personal pro account should also be fine as both accept credit card payments.
Thanks for all the comments everyone, keep them coming, this really is turning into a fantastic resource!
Hi Marty, I have a brilliant idea for you. Why don’t you go to http://www.blogger.com and register yourself a free blog account. Start a blog about a topic which will attract a lot of visitors. Then apply for Adsense and use Adsense and affiliate links to make money on your blog.
As you can see from this blog you do not need to know much about the topic. You can just add comments like “All good :)”, ”
It’s my pleasure, glad I can provide some good information :)”, etc when somebody reply with useful information.
This way you actually get other people to build a useful page for you. You leverage other people’s knowledge and time and YOU profit from the blog. See, you do not have to say much yourself, you just profit from the sales from the affiliate links on your site.
This blog is a very good example of that.
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks will try this one and let you know how things progress.
Regards
Wayne
Hi Marty
yes, a blog is a good thing. But you need to know what to blog about. Some people are making good money with this method. Go to Google Trends (http://www.google.com/trends) select a topic that lots of people are searching for – then go to blogger.com – make a blog called hottrends or something in that line ( that name is probably not available but you can name it something hottrends101 or something) then just repost some of the hot topics that you got off google trends. You definitely need Adsense, some CPA banners etc. Your blog will get traffic in no time at all. Do that on a daily basis and I can almost guarantee you will make a few $100 extra a month :)
Blessings
Joan
Good advice Joan. By the way how is your Virtual Assistant going? I have heard good things from your business from some of my regulars.
Marty another good way to find a niche is to go to http://freekeywords.wordtracker.com/
When doing a search use “trigger words” when doing a search for popular terms. These “trigger words” can include words like learn, training, instruction, tip, tutorial, help, how to, buy, order or play. Just add one of these words in one of the search pages mentioned above and you will see which phrases are in high demand.
TIP: If you click on the names of the people who offer real valuable comments on this blog so far it will take you to their web sites where you will get real information.
I have been looking for a way to make money online for almost three years. just recently I joined website that teaches you data capture…what a complete waste of my 275 bucks. All it teaches you is how to place classified ads on the web and get other people hooked to this crap…so far i have seen no results after placing dosen a ads…
Capitalising from other peoples problems should be serious crime…I want a work from home opportunity and now I just dont know where to turn…
Hey I just want to know one thing about the Google Ad sense please?
The cheque you recieved from Google, can I trade it in at ABSA or must I go to CITI Bank?
I know this a weird question but have to know :P didn’t recieved my cheque yet and btw I’m also Mountain View XD
Hi Chris
Wow, I see so many people got caught like I did. I paid to type from home and was told to post ads to get people to pay to type from home too. I also paid for a “website” which would automatically generate income for me and I got nothing, not even R1.00 back!
I am not skilled enough to create websites and ad adsense and all that, I tried that too, but never got enough traffic. Also cost me hundreds, but nothing.
The only thing I ever made money with was GDI. It is MLM – which as we all know can be scary depending on the products etc, but my other company really needed an affordable website so when I was approached by a friend of mine to join and I got a website for $10.00 per month / R100.00 now and I was able to build it with the web builder and everything myself cause it was easy, it seemed ideal.
I receive cheques from America too, but it took me having to tell/email friends and family about it and doing a bit of internet marketing to get some people in my “downline”, but now I am making a second income and I hope to grow it because it’s residual (repeated). I will earn for as long as the people in my downline are still using the service. I get $1.00 per month per customer/ referral sign-up for 5 levels deep. So if you sign-up 10 people who go and sign-up 10 people each, who sign-up 5 people each who sign-up 5 people, who sign-up 5 people then you will have 12500 people in your downline, you will earn $12500.00 every month. I am only on my 3rd level now, but it’s growing and I am trying to help others to grown theirs so I can earn more. It’s like, people helping people, helping people. It’s nice and most of us use the websites we pay for, for other things.
But as much as I have been scammed I can say that the GDI has made up for it.
I am happy to give anyone interested the link to the presentation so they can see what I am talking about and if it would interested them – because for me, helping others, means helping me too.
Kind regards
Candice
Hehehe, I actually got my calculation wrong, you have to add each layer together. So you would earn $10.00 in the first + $100 in the second + & $500 in the third layer + $2500 in the fourth layer + $12500 in fifth layer = $15610 per month. I always get this confused! But I hope it helps others understand.
So as you can see, this one isn’t a scam, just a nice opportunity for people who want to earn more money, but must be willing to tell/email others about it. Plus the website alone is a bonus.
The cheque should already be converted to ZAR if you selected the option in your control panel.
I use FNB and StandardBank without any problems. FNB just lost three of my cheques in one year but after I switched to Standard I had no further problems.
ABSA should take it as it is a normal South African Rand cheque.
Hi Candice, I clicked your name and checked out your site.
GDi is brilliant. It is a brilliant concept and their tools are out of this world. Especially in today’s world the need for each person to have their own web site grows by the day.
The main objection I get from people is that you can now a days get hosting at $5 per month, so why would they have to pay $10 per month. The $10 was fine 8 years back when they started, but hosting became cheaper and they did not keep up with their price.
But on the other hand with a normal $5 per month host you do not have the unlimited earning potential like you have with GDi.
GO FOR IT. The fact that you got started and are already earning something put you one step ahead of everybody else.
Hi Pieter
Thanks, it’s nice to get good responses about something you’re doing and not skepticism, like I got when I tried so many other opportunities.
I realise they are a bit more expensive on the hosting side, but like you said, you don’t earn every month with other hosting companies like DOT5 hosting. You can earn with DOT5, but only once off and their websites are hard to build.
Thanks for your response.
Candice
Hi again Pieter
Well as funny as life will be, after chatting about GDI I decided to talk to someone in my upline and see how they are going – I have never made millions with GDI but enough to cover the monthly costs and pay some extra bills or have some extra cash. Well, to cut a long story short, I asked him how his GDI was going adn he said, well but it never turned out to be huge, just very good. But he has recently come across a South African opportunity that was started recently and his team grew from 3 and has just surpassed 400 members in 7 weeks! It’s funny how life is, just when you thought this is the best it’s ever gonna get (GDI) you stumble across something else.
Well if you know of anyone looking for a purely South African opportunity for South Africans only – an excellent product is now available that every should have for their own safety (no, not a tazer or pepper spray hehehe) then send them my way and I will help them to help others, to help others and so on and so forth!
I am so glad I came across this Blog today, it started something new for me.
Kind regards
Candice
Hi again Pieter
Well as funny as life will be, after chatting about GDI I decided to talk to someone in my upline and see how they are going – I have never made millions with GDI but enough to cover the monthly costs and pay some extra bills or have some extra cash. Well, to cut a long story short, I asked him how his GDI was going adn he said, well but it never turned out to be huge, just very good. But he has recently come across a South African opportunity that was started recently and his team grew from 3 and has just surpassed 400 members in 7 weeks! It’s funny how life is, just when you thought this is the best it’s ever gonna get (GDI) you stumble across something else.
Well if you know of anyone looking for a purely South African opportunity for South Africans only – an excellent product is now available that every should have for their own safety (no, not a tazer hehehe) then send them my way and I will help them to help others, to help other and so on and so forth!
I am so glad I came across that Blog today, it started something new for me.
Kind regards
Candice
Hi Smartcandi, GDI is similar to http://www.3900income.com if you want to check, also would you mind sharing the purely South African opportunity with me, would like to follow up.
Thanks
Wayne
Hi Candice, you are probably talking about he 911 cell phone business. Although I am not personally involved in it I know the people who started it and it looks like a sounds business. What I learned from my buddies up north (Gauteng) is that it is very popular.
I suggest ones you signed up you post some more details and add your unique URL to your details when you post. That way people can just click your name and it will take them there.
Has anyone tried yourpersonaljackpot.com. Its apparently a week old.Its where you buy a position and your money cycles. I joined last night for $35 and this morning I have made $2.24 not much but lets see how it goes. If it goes well I might buy more postions.
Hi Everyone
Sorry for the delay in responding, just been a hectic day, the heat in Cape Town is crippling 38 degrees!!!
You can view the opportunity by clicking on my name. Yes Pieter it is the Home911 and it’s very popular, not one person I have spoken to about it so far hasn’t been interested.
It’s fantastic, already have people signing up as we speak.
My sponsor’s team grew to 400 sign-ups in 7 weeks, he’s earning an R3000.00 per month already (every month) it’s re-occurring.
Please check it out and tell me what you think! The earning potential is 10 times that of the American GDI program I did. I can see that I will be earning the type of money it took me 4-5 months to build with GDI within 4 weeks with Home911.
Regards
Candice
Hey Candice, Nice business. Now thats it picked up from start, its starting to get cred as well! Stick with it, you will do very well from it in a little while! It’s a great product an i’ll put money on it that most of SA’s urban areas will be using it!
Garth
Are you a member too?
I personally have to say that this is all just too exciting, I am almost out of my skin. I have had such a good response from it.
Let me know
Candice
Absolutely am a member… :)
Hi Garth
How have you found it to date?
I think it has explosive potential! I used to think GDI was as good as making money part-time would ever get, but I was really shaken up with this opportunity.
It’s great, headed up by an awesome guy as well. The product is fantastic. Consider how much is spent on security in SA and thats what makes it great, the MLM pay out structure is a bonus! It would have sold itself eventually, the fact there was opportunity to make money out bonus! By far it is the best SA structure and product. I have been involved in a few, investigated a few, do adsense, affiliate, done Herbalife etc etc, none compare with the potential reward and the structure behind it..
Wow you sound like me…. I tried almost everything and this is also the first time that I have found something that is just taking off without me having to pressurise people into taking it…. they want it, then I offer them the income opportunity.
It’s really awesome. Well who knows, maybe we will meet one day in the future when they hold a meeting or something, it’s just a matter of time before that happens :)
Have a great evening
Candice
Hi Jonathan,
Would you mind letting me have your contact details, need to discuss something with you.
Enjoy your day.
Wayne
You know having had a look at that me 2 everyone, it could very well be one of the best market campaigns ever seen. I believe it has far more value if it is legit in the long run than in short and a scam. I think it will overtake facebook… bit optimistic re there share value… but i guess alot of people would have said that re Microsoft :)
Garth, how do you know they will be bigger than Facebook, what will make them so special.
Do a search on Google for “bigger than Facebook” or “the next google” and see how many other businesses had the same ambition.
It might be, it is not impossible, but me2everyone is not the only ones who thinks they will end up bigger than facebook.
Hi! Everybody
I got an e-mail from someone about Fapturbo.com,had a look at it,info on it is a bit unbelieveble , do anybody have any info on them please..
Thank you
Neville
Hi Wayne. I dnt want to place and email on the forum and not sure how to contact you otherwise, maybe you can just ask me a question here. have you joined that cashflowbot site yet?
Hi Jonathan,
Can you send your contact details to 0832618201
Regards
Wayne
Hi Chris.
Cant you archive the older items, where newcomers to your blog can pick it up? It is a fantastic blog, but the page is to long.
Good day Guys
Have been coming to this site so many times and trying stuff on the other side. I found something that works and is offline. Last year I joined these guys. I have been scammed so many times and this time I I thought let me give it a try as it is not that of a bigger money to join. I only spent R180.00 and signed my three downline in a month’s time, I helped my downline to sign their downline as quickly as possible, and now quess what after four months I circled out and I got my R298,890.00. If anyone has heard of 2X2 Prosperity Plan and thought it is a scam, no it is not, it is working. I have joined again this time the joining fee is only R190.00 and you circle out with R2 million. I will work harder than I did previously. Need to know more mail me at Mendephyla@yahoo.com. I have done my reasearch, I have already spoken to Mr Ron, the owner, I called DTI and FSB. I am on the roll here. OFFLINE I said.
Good day friends, once again I’d like to thank you all for your wonderful comments on my website – it means so much to me to know that I’ve provided an interesting forum for a good chat.
The South African Blog Awards have come around again and I’ve been nominated this year – I need your support – Please would you vote for me by visiting this link and following the instructions – http://www.imod.co.za/vote/helpvote.html
Once again, thank you all for your support!
@Jan – That’s not a bad idea, I’ll see what I can do for you mate :)
Hi Candice
Are things still going well? I am interested. Thanks
Hi Smartcandy
Are things still going well? I am interested. Thanks
Hi tere all the people that was scammed and the lucky ones that made some money.
I read all your comments and I must agree there are a lot of people out there that won’t
feel a thing sceeming you out of your last few rands. I have been there and they promise you instan riches with doing almost no work. Bull. there is no such thing as making millions by doing no work. If there was why sell this info and not keep it to yourself?? I tried Fleetstreet publications where you actually pay them a monthly subscription to send you “spam” and just want to make more money from you trying to sell you get quick rich scheems. I bought one and it was so vague I could not understand what was going on and promptly cancelled my subscription. I bought Pieter Pretorius’s Ebook and I must say it is not a scam. He is honest and it is going to take some time to make some real money. You first have to do a lot of reading to familiarise yourself with all the ins and outs of making money with the internet. There is realy a Legio of ways, all legit, but don’t just jump in and think you are going to become a milionare over night!!
A while ago while I was surfing the net I came acros another way of making a few bucks. It is called Be Motivated Today and it is brilliant!!
You actually get something for your money and it is something all of us can use. No it is not a Piramid sceem where you buy products at an inflated price and have to flog it. Go and check it out at http://www.BeMotivatedToday.net
They give away a lot of free ebooks that you might use for something else on your way to making extra money.
May we make heaps of money and expose all the frauds out there.
Hi Marty
Yes, it is going well. Are you also with HOME911?
Kind regards
Candice
Hi Candice
No I am not. Have you realy made money? But I am really not keen to go and sell stuff to friends. Is that what you do?
Greetings
Marty
Dawid
You suggest BeMotivatedToday.net
How much money have you really made over what period. What makes it so genuine and worthwhile?
Thanks
Marty
Hi Marty
It’s still early days, things are progressing quite nicely.
I did chat to my mom and sisters, who all joined. My mom was put as our sponsor so that she can benefit from what we do.
And so far so good. There is more I could share with you… going forward there are other ways to market and create a really good income with it because this product is not limited to people you know or general public only…. that’s all I can say for now, otherwise other members will not be happy with me disclosing this info to non-members.
My sponsor has over 100 in his downline and he joined in February… I think it’s about believing in yourself. Finding what works for you and being patient and realistic and then taking it from there.
I hope that whatever you do, that you will be successful. There is no great rich quick opportunity out there, everyone just wants you to believe that there is. But there are opportunities that will make you wealthy with time, work and perseverance. I believe that HOME911 is one of them.
Regards
Candice
As I said it is not a get rich quick system and is only been around in South Africa since October last year. What I like about ist is that it actually give you tools to use in every day life and even if you choose not to join it can be used in other fields that might be of benifit to you. Think about it in this day and age people are generaly depressed and demotivated. If we start believing in ourselves won’t it be easier to start a new venture? If you go to the website everything will be explained there.
Hi all,
I notice hbiz.co.za advertising in Weekend Argus, sms your details to a number, I tried, recieved letter in post=hbiz.co.za. Joan Masterson did mention about them on this forum.
Hi Wayne
I checked them out – looks almost too good to be true….. If it is true, then wow great…. I do a few different MLM type businesses which are growing, but will take a bit more time to get where I want them and in the meantime I work full-time. I am being retrenched end of next month and something like Homebiz would be great, if it were true… the proof is in the pudding I suppose hey.
Hi Candice & Everyone
Please guys, if something looks to good to be true it normally is. Hbiz.co.za is a SCAM! No matter where they advertise, stay away from them or you WILL lose your money.
Blessings
Joan
Hi Candice,
Re:hbiz I seen this one before,it appears they have a new owner / director and are a registered company too and as Joan says same old same old, but with experience you get to be careful and do research also with the help of this forum and others.
Regards
Wayne
I’m thrilled to see that everyone has been discussing the whole hbiz situation, I have to say, it doesn’t seem too amazing to me, I wouldn’t waste my time on it, but that’s just me.
Keep chatting my friends!
Pieter.
Ek sal graag met jou wil kontak maak. As jy bereid is, my epos is janpn@telkomsa.net.
Dankie.
Jan.
Hi,
I am a stay home mother and have resigned from my full time job at the end of March 2009. I have been with the company for 9 years and slowly started to lose my self-worth. I have decided to look for some work that I can do from home. I have good typing skills and would like to have something in this line of work. Typing is my business, so what I am saying is that if you know or have any idea of companies, which might need an extra hand, please let me know. I actually do not know where to look and how to market myself. Some advice would be more than welcome. I am actually very frustrated with websites that ask money (which I am currently very low on), I just want to work and earn my salary working from home. My children are everything to me, but I do not want them to suffer because I have made a change in my life to change my outlook, health and hopefully my bank balance. Could you also email me and let me know how I can get to this site again to follow up and what I should do, as I am kind of new to blogs etc.
Regards
Maggie
Hi Maggie
If you read this, can you please e-mail me at gumi@telkomsa.net so that I can tell you how to use your typing skills to start a business from home.
Regards
Elsie van Rooyen
Hi there
So what is still the no. 1 option to make a little cash working from home?
Thanks
Marty
PS Maggie have you found anything?
Hiya Marty
I’m not sure anyone can offer the solution you are looking for. You need to first find something that you REALLY believe in. Without that you pretty much wasting your time. Some people will believe in Herbalife, why cause they have had tremendous results, some havn’t they think it sucks! For me its adsense and Home 911. I believe in adsense cause i know the net and click on adwords when something grabs my attention, in 911 cause the security in SA is so bad. I know first hand they work and believe in them.
There are so many different things, i call them scams, but are not always. I just call them scams cause i think the product really sucks. One i saw sold you about 20 different software packages, your job was then to go do the same. Those same packages can be downloaded free!! This is taking advantage of people who don’t know how to surf and find, think they getting something great.
I noticed you wouldn’t want to sell to family/friends. Then i suggest that you need to find the right thing first. You believe in it enough to sell to them, you will easily do well. My family/friends are the first i approached re 911 cause personally i think they should be doing all possible to protect there kids/wives etc. Makes sense to me as a family man… Find the right product, then worry about the compensation, if it gels well… then you onto something.
Hello! Everyone
You know these work from home scams is really heart breaking. Iam an employed young woman from swaziland and i am a victim from the hbiz. We (me and a friend)deposited the R400 for two decision packages last year in December but till today we have received none. Only e-mails that reads they havent got the prove of payment. Each time i would reply and attach the scanned deposit slip.It was for a number of times but they always replied they didint receive the proof of payment. I really got tired. I want to suppliment my income. Can any one suggest which one can be good for me,as iam not in south africa but swaziland. i have access to the net. I want something that is simple but i can work really hard. Almost everyone needs to make exta cash to be able to be responsible.I have four of my siblings and my two children to take care.
Thank you for sharing the information Chris and all of you guys.
Hi Zee1522,
Click my name above, it will take you to the 911 sites that you can a look. This is not an internet opportunity but on the ground. Aside from the plan there, there is money in complexes and security companies (seperate structures will have to take you through)
Contact me direct at info@911security.co.za for more.
Cheers
Garth
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Hi guys,
I stumbled accross this post.
I spent many years spending allott of money on Krap ebooks. Guess what not many of these books made me any money at all.
What i did find out is that it certainly is possible to make money online. However it is not easy. There are NO systems that make you money if you do nothing with them.
I then stumbled accross a club manorsandmansions com. Since finding this club about 6 months ago, I have quit my day job and now focus on internet marketing.
Do not get me wrong you still have to work to make money but you really do get back fantastic rewards.
This club will give you step by step video training. If you carry out the training step by step, you will be making money online within 1 month.
it is not a free club membership is $97 a month – but they guarentee your success.
Also if you goto manorsandmansions com read the page then click on the browser back button you will get a special offer to try the club for 1 month at $79.
I recomend you give it a try if you do not make moeny they will even give you 100% money back.
I wish you all success online. I have alot of fun. and make good money.
I can also spend alot of time with my family…
Take care
Hi Zee
I know exactly what you mean. I have been duped a couple of times myself.
I am with Home911, Multisure, GDI – you name it. I am earning something from each of them, but nothing close to what I want to be earning.
But I have come across something quite phenomenal…. something that shocked my boots off… imagine getting paid for new members when you didn’t even refer them? And if you do refer members, you get paid even more?
Yeah, sounds too good to be true right? I also thought so, I just joined and am waiting for my first cycle / return on investment. Which looks like it should be in 2 more days!
The administrator is really nice and really honest, he also assists you to get your account funded if you are having any issues with alertpay etc… His name is Wian.
It’s a fascinating concept, instead of trying to build a matrix (downline) everyone who joins benefits from new members, no matter who referred them….. so you buy a line/position, then cycle out with a return on your investment of 150% or 160% up to 210%. They are now looking into opening new lines with a slower cycle period, but higher return on investment, plus minus 300% – 350% return on investment…. how does that grab you.
I like it, it’s no different in my opinion to any other matrix type business I have ever done expect for the fact that even though I haven’t referred one person, I will still get my money back with interest!
Enjoy!
Candi
Hi Jonathan,
Have joined cashflow site, opened Alertpay pro personal account, also joined via links to cashflow site (for free) a few PTC sites, have generated about $3.00 US from these sites,a little I know but you can generate a bit of cash everyday depending on how many sites you join will let you know progress
Has anyone actually been scammed by The HomeBiz Group in SA, or know someone or of someone who has been? Do we know anyone who is presently or has ever worked for them?
Kind regards,
Niki
Hi Niki
If you read Zee’s comment above you will see that she was duped out of her money by Homebiz and she is one of many on this forum. When on the forum click on edit (the menu at the top of your browser window) then click find and type Hbiz and homebiz and see how many people have posted messages here about them. I almost signed up with them!!! Thank heavens for this site or I would have lost money!
Regards
Candi
Thanks Candi,
will take your advice.
Kind regards,
Niki
Hi All
Have just joined a group called Freesure. Hope I havent made a mistake, but all (to me at least) looks ok.
Have anyone heard or seen anthing “bad” about them?
Thanx.
Howzit Chris
Was surfing your site – from Killer Whales to work from home opportunities (!) – and I came across your comment that you made some decent money off the TrafficSynergy program.
Obviously everybody’s sites and success will vary, but I’m trying to get my head around how this program actually generates any real income and which affiliates actually generate the income?
Three real questions:
1. What’s a realistic amount of income to come out of these programs (consistently)?
2. Is it just a traffic volume game serving thousands of impressions? (which is my impression – scuse the pun)
3. I assume that when you said you made R11000 in a month that didn’t come from their Adrands / Pay Per Click banners?
Thoughts / feedback when you get a chance?
Hi Chris wonderful to stumble across your site, I have been looking for some local input for a while now so I will bookmark your site.
I am interested in what Phyillis is doing but the links she has posted just come up as “404 forbidden” I would love to look into both opportunities and ask her to send the info to my emial address. Thanks
Hey Chris, Firstly thanks for your feedback on Oct 5th 2008. I also wish to acknowledge many objective contributions that have been posted so far. I tried the trafficsynergy – but I must confess that it did not work for me. Did I get the concept wrong?? Could you guys google maliyangu.com or visit maliyangu.com/travel_n_stay.html and pls advice? I will retrenched end of June and any guidance is DESPERATELY welcome. I created maliyangu.com from scratch so I believe that I have the basics. Please SOS!
Hi peeps, thanks for all the positive comments, here is some feedback:
@Marc
1. It’s hard to say what’s realistic, because that depends on the person running the website. I would say that with a fair amount of work for about 3 months, one could expect to earn around R2000-R3000/month, but there’s a lot to it in the beginning. There’s no get-rich-quick setup, unfortunately.
2. Depends, you can do CPC, CPA and CPM models, which all required different factors in order to make a success.
3. Some of it did, some came from CPA banners.
Here are the most important things:
A. Take the time to build something which is going to work. There’s no quick way of making money online, unless you’re incredibly lucky, so build a strong foundation!
B. Study campaigns offered by companies like TrafficSynergy and OfferForge, you need to understand what they offer and then explore the competition and target audience. It’s exactly the same as real life!
These things take a lot of time. I had a huge amount of knowledge before I started and it took me at least 6 months to place myself in a position where I could make money, so don’t shy off when you don’t make money immediately.
Hope that helps!
Ok all crap aside, if you want to know how to make money online, you have got to check out this 28 part video series. In the end, it means applying a few very effective basic principles to advertise other peoples products as an affiliate. I bought this course 4 days ago for roughly R680 ($77) and it blew my mind with the amazing potential it offers. Besides, you get a 60 day window in which you can get a total refund, which i sincerely doubt you will do, as you will be amazed that this product only costs so little. It will answer all your questions relating to online marketing and how to generate traffic to your website and how to build a huge passive income.
The bottom line: I have been scammed into buying many ebooks and such, and I PROMISE this product is the REAL deal. You can even phone me on 0217857143 if you want to talk about it as I have already implemented many of the strategies and have made money from it over the last few days, much more than the actual cost price of the course. In the end the difference between those that make a ‘KILLING’ and those that make a loss, is the time spent implementing these strategies and the method of interacting with your buyers.
Hi all, firstly I would like to say that I agree and disagree with almost all the posts here. I currently live in the UK (I am a South African) and have been researching the digital affiliate market for about 2 months now. YES there are LOADS of scammers out there – where I start to laugh is when I find something good and Google it, there are at least 5 other sites telling you it is a SCAM….now the funny bit – on their site they try to sell you something that is in direct competition to the one you were looking at???
I have joined Click bank and have paid for one of the products I am going to be marketing soon (in SA by the way) and I have LEARNT sooooo much from this training on how to get into Affiliate marketing. Not just that but I use what I have learnt in my IT consultancy business to help clients generate QUALITY traffic to their websites. Most people who use ADWORDS think they can just drop a whole bunch of words and phrases there and people will end up at the site – it is a WHOLE lot more in depth than that.
Some of the posts have hit the nail on the head – if you going to do this TREAT IT LIKE A FULL BLOWN BUSINESS!!!! If you have never run a business before go and get some books on business basics BEFORE you even start looking at any affiliate marketing.
When I am ready to get going (hope to be a week or two) I will send the link to Chris to have a look at (if he agrees) and let you decide.
Anyways, great blog and don’t get to pi**ed off with all the rubbish out there – there REALLY are some good ones.
Keep it real – I have done my 3 hours work today and am going to the pub!!!!!!!
Hi Chris M and all. I’ve stumbled accross your blog while searching for a outcome to provide my wife and kids with some kind of life. We are facing severe retrenchment totals at the company i’m working for and a possible total close down due to the current economics.
Your blog seems great but issue which is troubling me somewhat.
From all the replies you get from all people reading here there is quite a lot of websites to visit again and it seems to be another kind of advertising site. How can one know which is honestly a great deal?
If i have to pay some kind of upfront amount it needs to work for me cause like some i do not have a second amount to try another. I need to save for incase we get that bad letter from management. Please give me your latest “possible” good deal
Thanx again for the info from all
Danie
Thing is Danie, Chris or anyone else you might trust could recommend something to you but if your skills and ability to learn and put in the hours don’t marry up, you could end up waisting your time and money. In my experience it’s all down to the individual. Like anything, what you put in is what you get out. Some of the programs that people knock on this page have failed for some but others have profited hugely and vice versa.
I could recommend something to you that others have succeeded with and you might fail, then you might say I recommended rubbish to you. It’s all subjective…….
My advice is to do research, think about what it is you really would like to do……if you want to start an online business then what niche or market? if you’ve got some skills or your wife then see how you can apply that to the online world, then consult with someone like Chris M or some people on this blog that have online experience…….find people that are willing to give Free advice rather than sell you something…….places like these blogs are full of them, interact in Forums, also plenty of them around
Research before you try…..
Good luck
Craig – you read my mail :) I totally agree with you and I was just about to come and post here when your post showed up. While I know Chris was trying to help by posting the info on the Clickbank Code here +- R700 is a lot of money to invest in something that may not work for you. It could be a very complicated system for the person who has no experience on working on the Internet per se. Most people don’t have a clue on how to build a website, never mind after having built the website to get traffic to it. Things like social bookmark sites and Twittering is way beyond the average Surfer Joe’s understanding. So, I would not recommend this to anyone who is an Internet newbie.
If you are looking to work online I would suggest you learn first how to get the website up and working etc. Baby steps. Most people want to fly too soon and then burn their fingers because they are not yet ready for the process. Internet marketing is like any other business – you need to do the time.
Unfortunately there is no quick fix and no overnight riches.
You can however make some money online if you are prepared to work at it. There are plenty of places where you can write articles for money or do tasks at places like Odesk.com
Or -
If there are enough people here who are willing to learn how to set up a website, learn article marketing, and learn how to set up products to sell online, I could probably set up online training sessions for them. Email me at joan.masterson(@)gmail.com – omit the () if you are interested so that I can gauge the potential.
You won’t be making money overnight and I don’t guarantee that you will be making money but at least you will learn how to get a presence online.
The course won’t be free but it will not cost you an arm and a leg, it will be a monthly amount which means that you can cancel at any time should you feel that you are not getting any value out of it.
Joan
Yip, there are tons of free info on the web, which is good for getting to grips with the way online marketing works, but if you want to start making money then you are gonna need the guidance of a professional. The free info leaves out some crucial info that is very neccessary in finding the right products to promote…and its well worth paying for a course to teach you the secret tactics that many top affiliates use. I have one which im using and its really good, making me cash as we speak.
Hi Danie, I cannot stress how important it is and agree FULLY with Craig. If you have not done online trading before – learn the basics. There is so much free info on the web that can get you started. I have learnt a few things over the last few months that I would never have thought of and I have been doing this for about 1.5 years now. I can try giving you some advice:
1 – Find something you are passionate about and start with that.
2 – Research, research and then research again.
3 – DO NOT rush into any product or service to sell right away.
4 – When you DO find something – research the product, author, company and EVERYTHING else related to the product/service.
5 – If a product/service is listed on blog sites and has mostly bad comments – move on.
6 – Once you have a product/service that looks good – buy it and try it yourself……why would anyone else buy something you yourself are not prepared to buy?
Anything I market online I make sure I buy it and get to know it completely – this is because I offer a direct line to myself to everyone who buys from me. This is very time consuming but very good customer service….and I get people buying from the emails I send out with no questions because they know that if they run into a problem I am there to help.
One thing I must stress to all of you looking to get into online trading – ADVERTISING COSTS. Please be aware – this is something you are not told about by the sites getting you to sell their items. PCP is the most common but if you do not know how to manage it – it will sink you before you see a cent. If you do not work out your costing for EVERYTHING before you start – don’t do it.
I hope this helps a bit, if you have any other questions – post them and I will try to help as much as I can.
Some good advice @Darren @Frank @ Joan………
Not sure about you, but what I find is if I mix with like minded peeps I grow and so does my business…… saying that ……. any of you IM’ers want to put together a little JV of sorts or perhaps bounce ideas off each other …….. got some cool ideas …….if so mail me and we can set up a conference call craigsdomainatgmail.com ……
I see some posts saying that the cost of a course to teach you how to do this is “to expensive”. Depending on your cercumstances or more importantly what you want to learn – everything is reletive. R700 – R1000 to learn how to “POTENTIALY” earn R100 000 a month is not bad. I have done “the Clinkbank Code” and found it to be VERY good, I learnt things that I never knew and there are some real basics including telling what the affiliate marketing process is.
As for building a website – most the hosting comanies have online tools to guide you through it. They are very easy to use and most of them are point and click. Not to sure if the hosting companies in SA offer this? I use various companies as I have 5 websites at the moment and an looking to grow to 10 by the end of the year.
Guys – if this is something you REALLY want to get involved in then you are going to have to outlay a little cash on teaching yourself…I spend on average R 2500 to R3500 per month on training for myself as the industry moves so quickly.
As Joan said – R700 is a lot of money especially if YOU are not going to get something out of it yourself!!!! My advice is start with products that you can market BUT ALSO LEARN FROM.
I will be in SA early next year to hold seminars on the industry and will cover the basics on what to do and what not to do. The main reason I will be there is to follow up with my SA based clients and I hope to do a few one to ones with some of them to see where they are battling.
HARD WORK AND RESEARCH PAYS OFF. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVER NIGHT.
Wow, this is really fantastic! I finally have a chance to sit down and catch up on all these comments, it sounds as though we have some really knowledgable people in here!
How is everyone doing?
Craig – I can’t find your email address. Please send it to me at joan.masterson(@)gmail.com I think it is a great idea for us to get together with like minded people.
Oh by the way guys, if you are working from home you can list your business at http://www.womenatwork.co.za – it also has blog functionality that you can use for backlinks etc. Just no spamming OK :)
Joan
Hi all – I am always keen to do things to help people (and get paid for it, Universal Law no1: There is no free lunch). I think the SA market is massive for this and will help a lot of people make a decent living – if done right with the right backend support!!!
I don’t do this very often but here go’s – this is my mail: darren@anaueltrading.com – I am in the UK at the moment closing a few deals – I hope. If there is a GOOD call to do some sort of training in SA for people who are REALLY interested in this – I could come over to help out. PS as mentioned before – the seminar I am hoping to hold next year might be a good one to collaborate on?
Another idea is to set up a training “school” for Online/Digital/Affiliate marketing?
I will discuss details if you are keen.
Let me know
Hey Darren
I’m interested to find out more about your seminars and what you would be specializing in. I do the same and would like to see if we can have each other as guest speakers.
Mail me if poss craigsdomain (at) gmail dot com
Cheers
Hey Chris
I’m doing well, not sure about everyone else. How you doing?
Strange, my last comment didn’t appear. Got the email confirmation but it’s not here. Maybe with 400 odd comments you’ve reached your limit :-) Jokes……..
Hope you’re well and thanks for an awesome blog……Heard you won an award for it…..Keep it up mate…… You’re a legend
Ooo, it’s back.
Hi guys
Your feedback to my first comment on this great blog is super, thanks a million. Its definately an eye opener cause i also dont believe in this overnight riches. It would be realy great to attend seminars held in SA, i’d most certainly sacrifice to be there, really interested in a new challenge. Ones again craig, Joan Masterson, (i’d definately drop you an e-mail), Frank and Darren and then chris M. Your support is fantastic
Keep well
Hi All
For those of you interested in making some extra money online, I have just posted an article at my website about how you can start making money online without it having to cost you a penny (or a cent in our currency :)
You can read it here: http://www.womenatwork.co.za/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=How-To-Make-A-Living-Online-As-An-Article-Writer.html&Itemid=0
Feel free to leave a comment on the post there if you find it useful :)
Joan
hello everyone, I have been reading all the comments and advice, and just want to say thank you, you all sound like people that do care. And i think it would only be right to give you all some of our info too. We have had a lot of stuff happen to us and have just always kept trying ways of getting ahead. From 20 years ago while working dead end jobs we tried extra ways to get ahead,golden products, herballife, network 21, to our own bakery. we are hard workers and understand that you gotta give out to get in. but then life happens…losing the business due to eco climate, mounting debt to cope…cars broken, car stolen…homes up for auction, job loss. but we just keep on keeping on. so when my husband lost his job the day after the car was stolen a year after we tried to start yet again a new beginning, we tried the homebiz stuff. We did some research on what they sent us, all sounded good. bought the package, which we received promptly 3 days later with email giving us our tracking number. Theres a lot of info to go through, which we did. After many hours, even though we had now seen some people on line saying it is a scam. We realise it is paid for R270.00 we might as well just try and try. so we have used all our cell phone air time, spent time and last of our money at internet cafe’s, driven out petrol about 100km or more to use a family source of internet. On hbiz everything seems to go well, we open our email acc, pay dot com, all works. all sound good, we posted ads on free classifieds they sent confirmations back, but still doesnt make sense to us coz there is no money in the pay dot acc. ok so we try the “free sites for data work” namely data team. all sounds good and i think it will work doing data work for other companies, but you must pay a reg fee in dollars. so this is a brick wall for us. try next one, on line surveys, looks good they send us links, and tell us make sure its for the country we are in, we click on “all countries-international” it brought us out at canada??? i sent them a mail, awaiting response. then if we want better paying surveys we need to pay a reg fee…again a brick wall for us. so i have sent a mail to the hbiz support. and i will let you all know what kind of response i get. my bottom line is, i have spent the money, am quite happy to work for income, why must i pay again when i havent even made a cent yet. sure i am disheartened at the moment. i will persevere, will definitely look up joans site of woman at work. but later, i am mentally exhausted right now…just keeping on keeping on.
Hi Nicky
I’m sorry to hear of your bad luck, i know how you feel. I’ve been there and done that. There’s no easy money in life i learned. I’m also checing out some websites which was recomended to me as a ” maybe – posiblility”
I must say i’m quite positive after reading Chris M’s blog. Seems as if there is a lot of sincere experts giving advice – Much appreciated-
One thing is for sure, when i read an article stating that i can make money in the first couple of minutes with no efford, i dont waist my time and just close it and go to the next one.
Good luck hunting
Danie
Hi Nicky, sorry to hear your problems with the online own business. Just a quick point to all reading this. Unfortunately with any business there will be a capital outlay – how much depends on you. There are ways to advertise a site free of charge but it is a lot more in-depth than Ad words for example. I am sorry to say this but there is no EASY way to make money and there are no free lunches – as they say.
What I do is set aside a budget for Ad words (for example) and launch a campaign – keep an eye on it for 2 to 3 days and if it has not made money or at least covered my costs I stop it and recheck ALL the keywords I have used. I have managed to have the products/services I offer cover their own costs. This takes a lot of research and time to do – I would start with about 200 to 300 keywords and drill them down to 6 to 10 that I actually use.
Keep your chin up and I hope to see you all soon in SA for a seminar???
And also rather use specific tags like
“how to loose weight” instead of a broad keyword like diet
Hi Chris M and all that have added to the comments.
First – Chris if this is not allowed I apologise and you can pull this tread. If anyone is keen to learn about how to put together a affiliate campaign the right way take a look at this:
http://www.clickbankcodesa.com
This is my affiliate site for the training program called The Click Bank Code – this is put together by Michael Jones. I have paid for it and done it 7 times now. I have learnt things that I thought I knew but was WAY off the mark.
Yes you have to pay for it – I think it is now $77 but in my own personal opinion it is well worth every cent.
What I am prepared to do is as you will see on my site – I will be available to anyone who go’s through me for this product to help on any questions you have on the product or where you are unsure of what to do or understand. I am based in the UK at the moment but I will call you back where possible.
This will give you a very good understanding of the market and how to utilize it the right way.
I know a lot of you have tried this type of thing before – I will say this, IF YOU HAVE BOURGHT PRODUCTS BEFORE MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A MONEY BACK GUARENTEE!!!! This one has 60 days.
Let me know what you think – good or bad.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Any other updates available about DATAWORX or http://www.hbiz.co.za are they for real……if not please update as there are plenty people I know down the South Coast that are being had…..thx J
Hi Jadin
It is a huge scam. Stay far away from it. You don’t need an update – it was and still is a scam.
hbiz does not look to good. If you click the “members login” it takes you to a page on http://www.dataentrymadeeasy.com/
My guess is that this is another package where you pay for information which tells you how to sign uo for paid survey and paid emails web sites and which then tells you to go and place ads to promote the same info.
Hi People
Could someone clever tell me weather i can invest in the previously mentioned “clickbankcode” ?? Does it look as if it can actually work? esspecially if there is no capital investment needed,( exept for the close to R400-00 which is buying your powersites.
Please help
Cheers
Hi Danie, I think you signed up for my mail updates? I do personally think it is great if you want to learn how clickbank works and how to do things the “right” way. I have paid for it and done the training myself and found it very valuable.
Hi
I bought an ebook at http://www.passive-income.co.za which I think is great. It tells you about real South African ways of making money and also shows you how to build your own web site.
Hi Everyone
For all of those of you who are still struggling to understand how to get a website up and running and how to monetize it with products etc, I have just started an email forum where my aim is to start a course to teach beginners how to get started on the Internet and how to make money with other people’s content. The course will be free so if you are interested in seeing what the group is about, please visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/plrhomebiz
If you would like to subscribe to the group via email, just send a blank email to: mailto:plrhomebiz-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
The first discussion will take place via Skype tomorrow at 11h00 am so please join us if you wish. My Skype username is: megabytemama
Blessings
Joan
Hi Guys,
Any more news on hbiz and more specifically dataworx??
Thanx :)
While I’m at it, Like many other people posting comments here, i’m really looking into working from home. Can someone who is working from home successfully please contact me and just help me in the right direction, I really need a helping hand
rowan.bower@gmail.com
Regards,
Rowan
Hello everyone. Wow, I have spent 2+ hours reading everyone’s comments and experiences. Thank you thank you thank you, nearly got caught in the homebiz dataworx/survey scam myself!!!!!So much advice so little time so much to read so let me get cracking :-))
Hi how you doing? i thank the lord i came across you site just like every other person who did aswell.i would like to no more about the data entry jobs that they offer and are they a scam aswell? this includes data entry sites in SA.thanks
My dear Naeem
The so called “data entry” businesses are mostly not allowed in South Africa. But it depends on what the business is.
If I recruit you into a MLM business Like BeMotivatedToday i will tell you to go place ads on the Internet advertising your BMT business. That is nothing else than “data entry” and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
The problem with those called “data entry” jobs are that they bulshit the people. The pretend to offer a data entry job, but they are not. They sell you a package with the information and your “job” will be to resell the very same package. The way you recruit clients to buy the package from you is to place ads all over the Internet, and that is the data entry part.
Thus there are no problem with data entry per se, but with the way these people promote it. I am an Internet marketer and I perform “data entry” task each day of my live, like this comment, but there is nothing wrong with it.
Read this Government Gazette, it will give you a good idea of what is allowed and what not. http://www.greengazette.co.za/docs/2007/04/Gazettes/National/20070426%20-%20Government%20Gazette%20No%2029823%20of%2026-Apr-2007,%20Volume%20502.pdf
Hi Pieter,
I’d like to get in contact with you if possible.
My email address is rowan.bower@gmail.com
Much appreciated,
Rowan
Hi Pieter
You seem to have experience…so what do you do or reccomend to make just a little supplementary income part time from home? Please contact me on mleroux.m@gmail.com
Thanks for explaining the data entry….so one basically cons others…
Thanks
Martin
Hi there. I requested some information from a company and they forwarded have since been emailing me regarding continued interest in their home business money making opportunity….maybe someone here knows about them? I cannot recall reading about them here but then again there was so much to read :-) my cut tells me this is a scam but I would like confirmation. The web page Web Page / link is http://www.incomemaximiser.com/decision_pack.php
@Ilone I will check it out for you, but my first impression is that I will not go for it. I became very “stuck up” when it comes to online businesses. If somebody’s web site is such a mess like the one you refer to I normally do not even take a second look. If it was a good opportunity they would at least have a proper web site.
@Ilone . OK, take this advice: Whenever somebody talks about a “decision pack” chances are like 95% that it is Herbalife. They are one of the few who actually charge you to send you their sales pitch.
I checked it out and the site you referred to above is in fact a site where somebody is promoting Herbalife.
Thank you Pieter appreciate your feedback and assistance.
@Pieter – Thanks for carrying this thread so beautifully. I’m just watching that you don’t steal all my readers ;)
Not to worry Chris, I won’t do that deliberately, just have a passion for this subject, so I like to help where I can.
It’s all good bud :)
Hi All,
I have found 2 sites that allow you to work from home.
http://www.odesk.com
http://www.elance.com
Neither of these sites charge a joining fee, and you can almost start working immediately.
Hope this helps those out there that have been caught out by these work at home scams. I am one of them.
@Natasha – Those links are true, but it’s a totally different approach to the whole “work from home” story, which we’re discussing. These freelance/outsource sites usaully don’t have the jobs we are referring too.
Never the less, thank you for coming in and sharing :)
@Natasha I might add that the links Natasha posted are great sources for contract work for those who have programming or web building skills. Sometimes there are even requests for copy writing.
HI to all. Iwas just looking on the internet
for work and decided to work from home and came
across your website. I just want to say thanks
to all of you. I’ll check some of the sites out. Hope I can find one that is reliable
Absolute pleasure Daphne, glad you found this information useful!
I’m joining Lifetime Opportunity (Gideon Basson). I’ve spoken to him, he said that he’s making money, and it really sounds ligit. You perhaps know about this business?
Gideon was Herbalife, dont know if is anymore. Herbalife is legit although many dont like it… but at least legit
Hi there
Anybody know about bemotivatedtoday.net?
Genuine…the person assures me but hard to believe.
Thanks for the help
Marty
Hi peeps, I’ve put a an interesting post together, which shows a practical example of making money online – you can start doing it immediately and it’s a great lesson to learn from ..
http://imod.co.za/index.php/2009/07/05/practical-example-to-make-some-money-online/
Enjoy my friends :)
Anyone out there help me again…. what is this CarCopyPro business about??
Sorry – let me rephrase my previous question: the business is called CarbonCopyPro.
Well this is really informative,read every post ,tx for all the info ppl makes it just a little bit easier to know what to look out for and what works .
Hi Drawied, so happy to hear that you found something useful here!
wow its been awesome i spent 5hrs reading these commnts i really thank u guys for saving me i was about to join hbiz but i ve learned my lesson, may God bless all of u,and Chris
Hi Alleta,
So great to hear that you stumbled across this article and managed to find value in it! I hope that people continue to add value and that it grows for many years to come :)
Regards,
Chris M
Hi Phyllis
I have just tried to get into the website you mentioned – http://www.shapetolivelong.net and also freelife4eva, and all I get is a screen saying “this is the new site for the website. HELP!
Perhaps they went belly up or did not make it. Try something else. There are many opportunities available.
Ye, most probably the case. So many systems start and fail very quickly unfortunately, hard to spot the gems.
hi guys i found somthing to work online that really makes money though it needs some traing and more time, i sit on my pc from 9-5 idont mind as long as am making some money,i believe most of you are aware trading on jse am currently focusing on ssf its risky though but am at least making some bucks i’ve heard some peopl say they have lost money but i think its prevelant in the world of business u get winners and losers its all about determination
I have joined http://www.bemotivatedtoday.net/7659. Yes you can make money, however I can tell you that you need at least 6 – 12 months to earn a decent income, just like any other business if you are not prepared to work then you will not be able to earn. Remember that you start it part time so only expect a part time result. It does really make money, but you have to really work, it is not a get rich quick scheme so if that is what you are looking for then this is not for you, you have to work and be patient
Hi Chris
DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE WHO HAS SUCCESSFULLY
IMPLEMENTED NICK LAIGHT’S BUSSINESS IDEAS AND MADE REAL MONEY, OR IS THIS ANOTHER SCAM?
REGARDS
SARJ
Hi
I used to be in MLM for more than 10 years. I stopped due to the low payout compared to the input effort. Like most MLM programs, you need a very large people base (team) that either use or sell the products. Generally your business is very localised.
Because I have very large dreams, I realised I needed a business model, with great prodcuts of course, that would allow me to build a huge income. I spent almost 2 years (on and off) researching. I spent plenty $’s getting info packs. That was the one of the most effective ways to verify their claims; get inside and look at the business model and products, test the systems and support structure.
Like your opening message; there is a huge amount of ES (Elephant Shit- this is Africa man!) out there. I liked some of the systems, filed them away for later use. Not many had products of any great value. I did not want to sell ‘products’ that did not add value to the world. As an example; the forex products. Sure the guys make money. There is risk, but what are you creating?
Well, like a typical engineering guy, I was taught to look for the catch, just like a couple of other disciplines you know, right? Guess what? There was none.
Ok. I guess now you thinking that this is just another sales blurb. I do not blame you. I would too.
For those who are seriously looking for a geat opportunity, this could be it.
Note: I cannot work with hundreds of people. That is too impersonal. You will have to go through a selection process. Don’t worry. If you are not selected or choose to opt out, you will get your application fee back within 24-48 hrs.
Here it is: http://www.goodseedsowers.com
Sowing the seeds of ooprtunity and friendship.
I look forward to interacting with you.
There’s only one new MLM opportunity that is really working at the moment. Been to all the others, HL, SPRTN, GNL_….you name it.
Sure, crap, crap, crap ! They all peaked some time ago and their methods are OLD and worn out.
Check out http://www.gettheinfonow.com…but do yourself a favor, actually WATCH the materials.
It’s so simple to understand, even a teenager can.
No need to attend any hyped up, emotionally charged-, people cheering & clapping meeting in some obscure hall.
Its fresh, it’s new, its groundbreaking and like with most MLM’s, it best to get in EARLY.
Now is that time. When you checked out the stuff, I guess I’d be stupid NOT to say get back to me ! :-)
No more pills and powders OR selling…yea !
I don’t begg anyone, they all come to me because this product and opportunity is that good.
Daniel
dwhvn@iafrica.com
Hi all,
I have not yet looked into Get The Info Now, so please be careful before rushing off and signing up. Perhaps someone who has had a look can let us all know whether it’s a shameless self plug or a legitimate system.
I ran a whois here.
Hi Chris, found this on the internet, hope it helps everyone. Agel Enterprises may appear to be a promising business opportunity, but you may have heard that it could also be a scam. So what is Agel really all about?
Company and Products: Agel Enterprises was started by Glen Jensen and Craig Bradley in 2004. They are a Multi-Level, Network Marketing Business that has developed specific gel technologies as the basis of their nutritional products. These gel products are unique but quite expensive. A small family of three would need to purchase at least 8 boxes per month to meet their supplement requirements, which would total about $650 per month!
Compensation Plan: Agel refers to their compensation plan as the “Quadra Plan”. It appears that the only members of Agel who are truly able to make money are the top recruiters. The business is dependent heavily upon selling products, and constant recruiting of new members to replaced lost members and customers.
Commissions earned will depend on which level members choose to join. The Personal Pack is the least expensive and earns a commission of $35. The Quadra pack (the highest level) can earn up to $200.
Conclusion: Agel is not a scam but a typical network marketing business which sells decent products with an average compensation plan. However, many people do not seem to be impressed by the commission levels and to generate a significant income with this company a person would need to recruit hundreds if not thousands of people into their team.
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You dont need to pay anything immediately, yes they will send you an sms to say you should pay R100, but you can start building your business before paying anything, so you have nothing to loose. It is also a stand alone product, which means that even if people dont benefit from a monthly income doesnt mean that they wont be interested in the card
Do you shop at Woolworths, Pick and Pay, Game, Hi Fi Corp, Ackermans, Musica, Pep, NWJ, Cape Union Mart, Sportsmans Warehouse?
Direct Advantage has created a very unique business model for the normal man on the street to create a passive income. Think about it, how much money does retailers make every time someone shops? And how much do they spend on T.V advertising? Now they give something back to those who does the most of their advertising. YOU!!!
We all have been selling since childhood. You would tell someone what food you like, where you love to go shopping, where you found a bargain the other day, yet you never got paid for it.
Direct Advantage negotiated discount with many of the big stores and chain groups. You get a MasterCard credit card from them and all you have to do to make money is use your card and tell other about it. How difficult can that be?
You will earn an average discount of about 5% on all purchases from these stores. You will not get the whole 5%. The 5% discount will be distributed among a network of business partners. If this does not make sense, have a look at the web site mentioned below:
To see how much you can potentially earn go to http://www.directadvantage.org/busopp.html
When you join use DAD22516 as reference.
Dont pay the R100 before they launch the card, for now just register online and invite members and only when they launch, you should pay the card fee.
All of us have to buy things every day!
All you have to do is use a different card to pay for your goodies and tell all of your friends.
When you join please use DAD22516 as reference.
The current position with Direct Advantage is as follows. They still in their pre-launch stage and what that means is, any negotiated deals they have concluded with retailers is still only at a head office level. Staff, at shop floor level will, at the moment, have no knowledge of Direct Advantage or who Direct Advantage are. For this reason the list of participating retailers (cash back partners) which were listed on the site, has been blocked as people who wanted to register were going into retail outlets and asking about Direct Advantage. Junior staff would quite rightly tell these people they don’t know what they talking about, which lead to either problems at the retailer and/or unending unhappy phone calls to Direct Advantage because the retailers didn’t know about Direct Advantage. Direct Advantage eventually decided it was better to block the list of retailers on the site until the bank cards are issued. What I can tell you is that, at the time of blocking the list there were 75 retailers which included, Woolworths, Pick and Pay, Game, Hi Fi Corp, Ackermans, Musica, Pep, NWJ, Cape Union Mart, Sportsmans Warehouse to mention a few. They have since concluded negotiations with more retailers and the list will continue to grow. As soon as the cards are available the list will be put back on the site and floor staff at retailers will have Knowledge of Direct Advantage. Direct Advantage has over 19 thousand members already and it’s growing faster all the time. The Direct Advantage cards are branded cards i e Master Card, Visa etc. and issued through Mercantile Bank
Cost!
There is a card fee of R35 per month payable. Once they launched you will be requested to pay a R100 activation fee. This will include the first two months’ card fee. Your card will be sent to you by courier like with any other credit card.
For now, you can simply register online and start building your network. You should only pay the R100 once the card is launched, so you have nothing to loose!! Just keep updated through the website.
These are the only fees. Thus it will only cost you R35 per month.
The Card
Although it is a credit card you will have to deposit money into your card’s account in order to be able to use it. You can make a deposit at any Nedbank or do an electronic transfer. Thus you will have a credit card which you use the same way as a debit card. This also makes it ideal for your online transactions.
Apparently all users will have the option to apply for credit later on. This will be a full credit application with the issuing bank. But for the launch and to get it up and running the cards will be used on a positive balance status.
Networking means it is a network of people working together to achieve the same goal focus only on getting 4 people on your first level and then help them to get their 4 people. The deeper you build the more your people will earn and the more they earn, the more they will spend, the more they spend the more you will earn.
By having 4 people that get four successfully up to level 7, you will have over 21 000 people in your network, if they each spend average R500 per month you could be earning R16 000p/m, now if they each spend R1500 per month, you could be earning R49 000. If you and your team earn that type of money surely you would spend more. You might buy a fridge or furniture, so lets say all your people start spending R3500p/m, you could earn in excess of R115 000p/m.
To earn cash daily you can simply order Simple Sales Success at R100 then copy the manual – it will cost you about R30-R40 to copy the manual and brochure for Direct Advantage. Then sell the manual and give the prospect the info for Direct advantage free with every manual. Sell the manual for R100 – you will makeR60- R70 for every manual. The manual will be sent as an attachment in word format so you can print it out with a normal printer – using a Laserjet will safe you a lot of money in printing (We print only in black to cut on printing costs.)
(most MLM’s make their money from selling their manual to your clients and they don’t pay you anything to sell their manual to your client, now you can make money to sell the manual yourself – you will earn this cash daily so you don’t have to worry about petrol money and printing costs)
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Hi
Does anybody know about this show below? They send this brochure.
Many thanks! The advice we all give saves a lot of time and stress.
Marty
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My finding is that they cant get their product sold, so they use the business opportunity to get their product on the market. For me, I dont like the taste and I prefer to eat my food, not drink it. I was phoned by someone from herbalife a week ago and I must tell you, they are all hyped up. Stay away from the meetings, these people know how to sell. Their selling techniques is great and it works really well but NOT FOR YOU!! The whole getting as many reps as you can etc crap is just to get as many people in the door, they make money from selling their products to your clients and you are left with the marketing bill and shit products that you aren’t interested in. If you are looking for healthy food phone Nature’s Choice (016) 362 2542. They dont have an MLM attached but you can buy at retailer price and sell the products. Their products is available at pharmacies and some pick ‘n pays. I am not a healthy eater but I know these people personally and they are healthy with beautiful skins. They also have a book – disease free so if you are worried about your health contact then for assistance. You can also just google for Nature choice website.
Hi Marty
That sounds very much like a scheme to me. Be very careful of opportunities that ask you upfront for money. This sounds a lot like the administrative home business scams that did the rounds a while ago or to be more exact, the envelope filling scams. All you are going to be doing is to send information about that same opportunity to loads of people via email which could get you banned for spam.
The opportunity that Natasha is describing above on getting cashback on your purchases seems to be a very good opportunity. BTW – Natasha – I have signed up under you :)
Blessings
Joan
http://www.cockeyed.com/workfromhome/herbalife_conversation.html
Hi Joan. I have looked into different opportunities. I received a call from someone from Herbalife 1 week ago, I can tell you these people are very persuasive, My brother joined them years ago , but the products tastes like ** I dont like drinking my food either. Just buy the way, the reason why whole grain is good for you is because it helps with digestion, what is all this drink your food stuff. If you really want healthy food, google Nature’s Choice, they dont have some business opportunity attached, you can also order their book disease free. Herbalife uses the income opportunity because they dont get their products sold without it. The owner of Herbalife died at age 44 because of alcoholic substance abuse and sleeping pills- now that is realy good motivation isnt it. Also go into the link above about herbalife.
The reason why I joined Direct Advantage is that the commissions is not paid from members monthly fees etc, etc… I believe it is a great opportunity and although it takes time to build it, it is worth while. It takes longer that planned to launch the card, however I am really motivated about it. Good ideas to do from home is – training. You can offer a 5 day sales training at R1200 or business network day, charge people R50 to attend and display their products to like minded people and throw around business ideas, or what about a reunion, get hold of people you havent seen for a long time, get them to each pay for example R200, arrange a spit braai and get people together, If you have an entertainment area, why not rent it out, or a swimming pool, not everyone has it but people like to have kiddies parties with a swimming pool or what about renting out your jaquzzi – how many people that you know own one? YOu can also get portable jaquzzi’s, they are expensive but you can for example rent them out for R1000 per weekend, offer to look after peoples pets if they go on holiday or offer to clean peoples yards for free, take everything they dont want and go and sell it at an auction – you will be amazed at what people throw away. In the winter I sell second hand jackets, the profits are amazing but it is hard work and long hours and not fun driving around with a car stocked from corner to corner with stock. I have written a book on ideas to sell which I have not copywritten, the people that buys my book then have the right to copy it and sell it. I charge R100 for the manual, it can be used as a guideline to present sales training or just to get ideas on what else to do. Successful peole make things happen, the unsuccessful let it happen. If you want to order a copy of Simple Sales Success you can email me at natasharaa@gmail.com. No need to email me with different opportunities, I already have what I have been looking for. Remember that to sell a service is always cheaper than to buy stock, the jackets that I sell is R3300 for 80kg, around 40 – 60 jackets in a bale and I sell them at R280 per piece, some are damaged and you will not get the full price. I have also seen that the ones I think is really ugly is the most beautiful thing to other people. In this business you need to keep your prices up, the quality is very high, some of the jackets is 10 years old and still looks brand new, some is brand new still with the tags on. Dont just think about earning online, there is many businesses that you can do offline as well, just use your imagination.
I don’t know know about what Natasha says – what I do know is the following:
1. I lost 28kg’s in 6 months, 8 years ago, and haven’t had need to see a doctor since I got onto the products
2. My wife lost 15kg’s in 4 months, and also lost her Depression & Constipation. She then went on to use the products the entire way through her pregnancy and while breast feeding. My son started having the shake in his bottle when weened off the breast, and hasn’t had a single anti-biotic since birth!
3. I have been helping people for the last 8 years change their lives by improving their health, looking and feeling better
Mark Hughes did not die of alcohol Substance Abuse and
sleeping tablets!
If Natasha doesn’t like drinking her food, that is her choice – I personally can’t think of a healthier way to consume all the nutrition my body needs on a daily basis, except by using these products.
If the shake is mixed properly, it tastes amazing, and that is why I have had customers ordering my products monthly for the last 6 and more years!
The ONLY reason the products wouldn’t taste great or wouldn’t work is because they are not being taken properly. That is why we are able to guarantee results!
Dear Warren
Sorry it was anti depressants not sleeping pills, my mistake
I have noticed that Herbalife distributors are very defensive about their products. My concern is this. I was approached by a Herbalife consultant a few days ago. I know how I would sell the product if I was interested but… If I want to change anything about my health it would be to get more energy. So she said I must buy the starter pack for R800. I asked if it was packed to each individuals needs. ‘No, it is standard’ Now correct me if I am wrong but the same product will help for the person that wants to loose weight, the person that wants to gain weight, the person that wants more energy, the person that is hyperactive, isn’t that the same as trying to fit a ford engine into an opel?? Surely the car will drive, but the results wont be the same…. I said to her that I would like health bars that I can pack into my childs lunch box. As a mother I am concerned about what my child needs, and working mothers don’t always take much note in what their children eat, so I would like to sell something that I can introduce to others with great believe in the product. I was told that I can only buy it if I first buy the business pack. And shockingly the bars costs over R10 each. I also said that I don’t like drinking my food and you know what the reply was – I can pour it over my food!! (and I thought the whole idea was to replace your meal) If you are one of the people focusing on your clients needs, sorry I do not mean to offend you in anyway. I don’t have a personal vendetta against you, I do have a problem about how many people try to push products into my cupboard that I don’t want and that I will never use. The way they sell these products put the company up for failure. If I buy once and I am not happy, I will never buy from that company again. If a person is satisfied they will tell 1 person but if they are unhappy the will tell 10. I know many people that tried Herbalife, but the results was not great. I have never met anyone that used the products more that 3 months. You lost weight and therefore you are satisfied and you can recommend the product to other people with great confidence and that is the way it should be done, but unfortunately there are many people that sell on hype etc… I only wish you success and congratulations on loosing your weight and just remember that not everyone wants the product.
People spend thousands of rands looking for an income opportunity online and they don’t have the funds to advertise or follow up so Cell Biz now joins an opportunity and test it. Obviously they will have the funds to advertise and they will be able to look into different opportunities and see which one is legit, if one fails they will still have funds to research others. Twice per year members will receive a report about which opportunities works and which don’t, members are then free to join the opportuinites, Now the profits made will be paid into the business trust. 70% of the profits will be shared between members twice per year and when members join these opportunities obviously the business trust will make more commission so the trust fund will grow, which means members will get more money back, however the amount you qualify for will depend on the amount of people in your business so you will be rewarded according to effort, members also have access to the ebook library and advertisement section. On completion of a cell (110 people) you will get a funeral cover as well, plus you will have access to the book library. You are able to print your business cards from your website etc. Long term goal is to arrange discounts on products – if you as an individual go and buy a car and ask for discount you will get a very small percentage if you get it, but if a group of people go and buy 100 cars obviously the discount will be much higher, same with life cover, medical aid, funeral policies etc. At the moment they are researching online opportuities but the idea is to later invest in for example a hotel or block of flats or a business that makes a monthly income, the profits will once again be paid into the trust and members benefit from the bi-annual payouts of the business trust. So it is not a physical product but a service.
Can anyone tell me about ‘Affiliano’? They advertise as a referral company. What do you actually have to do to make money through them. Of course no details are given on their website!
Hi Natasha
Yip, I ma defensive about the products for the simple reason that people tend to take uninformed swipes at the products, and as people are generally gullible, it can create challenges for other distributors, especially new, inexperienced distributors.
I imagine that the started pack you were spoken to about would have been the registration package, which would have licenced you to be a distributor in 70 countries around the world, given you a set of products, and a bunch of training material which, if used, would equip you to be able to start putting money into your pocket
The lady you spoke to was quite correct about saying the same basic product is for all.
In the last month, I have helped a person lose weight (4kg’s), another gain 3kg’s, another lose a whole lot of cm’s, 2 kg’s and about 2% body fat(she is an avid ‘Gymmer’, cyclist and runner), another has experienced lower blood pressure and cholestrol!
If you would like to understand how this works, I am quite prepared to explain telephonically. – Pop me a mail on warrenlake01@gmail.com or call me on 082-859-5447, and I will gladly explain without giving you the ‘Sales Pitch’!
In a nutshell, if a motor car doesn’t have petrol, oil and water, it tends to stop working properly – if a human doesn’t feel the body all the nutrients, proteins, vitamins etc, and hydrate properly, their body will also stop working properly. This generally happens due to really poor quality food being available, and lack of knowledge on how to feed a body properly!
You can either be a customer or a distributor. A distributor would need to register first, however a customer would need to purchase at full retail.
A Bar is not going to provide your child with all the nutrition it needs, however I have heard a wisper of Bars being introduced into the marketplace in the course of the next year, and this will be like a Shake in a Bar.
Re the price, it is actually cheap compared to other quality bars for similar purpose in the market. I personally would not feed my 4 year old on bars, however insist he has a shake every day (and he insists as well. I believe this is largely why he has not has a single anti-biotic since birth!
The purpose of a shake is to provide your body with all the nutrition it needs, and a way that is convenient, fast to prepare, tastes delicious and satisfies appetite. Every individual WILL benefit from just having a shake a day – GUARANTEED! More products will give more results, however a Shake a day will definately give a person a lot more nutrition than they are currently getting, and it provides the minumum Recommended Daily Allowance of all essential nutrients needed daily! AND TASTES DELICIOUS!
Promise, no offence taken, and I know you don’t have a personal vendetta against me, and I also have a problem with the products being left in the cupboard. I think you are generalising when you say ‘They’! Agreed, there are some, however ‘They’ are a minority – fortunately!
I go back to what I said in my last reply – if the products are taken the way hey should be taken, they will give results, and if they don’t , then within 30 days, the transaction must be reversed. I often go one step further, and insist that my products are returned in exchange for the money, and this would be because the I know the customer is not using the products, either properly or at all. These people do exist, and unfortunately can cause others to make emotional as opposed to informed decisions, in all industries!
Bottom line, if a person wants to lose weight, gain weight, wants top quality sports nutrition, wants to generally improve their health and vitality, is fed up with falling asleep in front of the TV in the evening, or is fed up with battling to wake up in the morning, is fed up with their skin not looking as good as they would like it to, I can help them achieve their goal, and most of all, enjoy the journey to achieving the goal!
The Herbalife products are ABSOLUTELY safe for ABSOLUTELY everybody to use, whatever their sex, race, age etc etc.
Hope this helps a little!
Warren
Hi Warren
Thank you for replying. You actually explain the product and not the get rich quick scheme. See maybe I generalize but this is because the ‘they’ that I am talking about is different people all selling herbalife and according to me they have not done much research. When people want me to buy the product the want to take me to a preentation. I know for a fact that the presentations is a hype for the business opportunity. Yes I would have to pay retail price and I dont mind that, I would buy a smaller quantity and see the results for myself and if I am then happy with it, surely I will recommend it to others or only then join as a distributor. You also touch on the subjects that I am concerned about, in other words you listen to my needs and not yours. The lady that phoned me guaranteed me that my family WILL not get swine flu if we use the product, once again, is this correct, or just a hype? I know that even just to buy the lots of fruits and vegetables still doesnt give the nutrition you need because what we find in the shops are not organic and treated with pestcontrol etc. So I do understand that there is a need for nutritional products. You listen to MY needs and therefore I do believe that you sell your product with great results. You also tell the truth about the product (the bars) So then it would be more beneficial to use shakes for kids lunch boxes am I right? You see, this conversation leads to building a trust relationship, and that is how sales should be done. I dont want an international licence, I love South Africa and all the negativity about crime will not chase me away from my beloved cuntry, but I care about my childrens health. Thank you for telling me the truth about the bars, this will help a lot to prevent people buying products for the wrong reason.
I hope that everyone has learned something in the conversation between myself and Wayne. If you believe in a product, stick to it. It takes time to build a business and you will only be successful if you stick with what you are doing. When I started working I started as a cashier -R800p/m, then as a call centre conultant – R1200 pm, then R5000, then R10 000, then R40 000. It takes time to build an income. Be reasonable when setting your target and remeber that an objection is a quest for more info. When you simply just refer people to a webite, you do not have the chance to handle the objections, you must follow up and you must know your product.
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Hey all,
A friend of mine popped me an email about this topic, and what I can you is that he’s incredibly trustworthy and runs a fantastic company. Here’s what he had to say..
“In my experience, as a business owner and aspiring Entrepreneur, there is no substitute for hard work and clever decisions. Hard work is hard work, but making clever decisions instead of silly decisions takes time and experience.
One of the better decisions I made some time ago was to use the Internet in the marketing of my business’s products and services. My marketing team, now comprising 5 people, understands and uses E-mail Marketing, SEO, WebPR, Facebook, Twitter, Mobile Marketing and have a great website that allows us to see who is visiting us and what they are interested in. By using these technologies to reach our target marketing, we have been able to grow out business over 100% every year for the past 3 years. This growth isn’t guaranteed, but I believe that it is possible.
The use of eMarketing, or Internet Marketing as it is also known, in our business has been so important that we have now started our own eMarketing Certificate course (we are a training company after all!). While we know a lot about eMarketing, we don’t know everything and therefore we have teamed up with Quirk eMarketing, a global Internet Marketing agency, to present the Quirk Certificate course in eMarketing.
It is an 8-week internet-based course and covers all the important aspects of eMarketing. It is based on the hugely popular textbook “eMarketing: The Essential Guide to Online Marketing” and results in a Certificate in eMarketing.
If anyone is interested, you can find out more at http://www.getsmarter.biz.”
I vouch for their services.
Uhm – Chris – has this thread now been degraded to a free-for-all-to-paste-your-opportunity-in-this-section-even-if-it-is-crap ?
Just asking.
Joan
Joan – Don’t say that – this thread has become my daily “smile-a-while” and brightens up my days as all the “believers” talk up their offerings.
If Chris kills it then my day will once again be reduced to the mundane…
Chris, I got hold of the Quirk eMarketing hand book and wow is it helpful… It explains things in the easiest of ways, yet the most helpful ways! I was working for an digital ad agency after I found the book(not quirk hehe) and felt it gave me a good step into the door of the agency, now that I look back, I think that book could help anyone, along with that course get themselves very much into eMarketing and SEO etc…
@marc: LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLLOLOLOLLLOLLOLLOL :) hehehe
Hi Joan,
Not at all, don’t worry! Sam, the Director of GetSmarter is out to help people and that’s why I started this thread. The number of emails I receive daily about this very topic is incredible and I felt that including his information was valuable for those who really want to invest some time and money to learn what’s really out there on the Internet in terms of eMarketing. That aside, it takes me a great deal of time to look over all the systems being posted and truth be told, I honestly kill about 3-5 comments a day from people who are just link dropping.
I’m honestly doing my very best to moderate this thread as possible. If someone spots something dodgy, all you need to do is pop me an email and I’ll look into it immediately!
The Quirk eMarketing textbook is a good book for beginners. I won a copy when I won the SA blog awards and have read through most of it and it’s definitely a great starting point! Keep reading bud :)
@ Marc – sorry Marc – did not want to intrude on your daily funny :)
@ Chris – Ok, I know this is your blog and I really have no say in the matter, but – can people then maybe just refer a url instead of clogging up the whole thread with miles and miles of information?
Blessings
Joan
Joan – Not at all, your opinion counts and the aim of this thread is to keep everyone happy, so I’ll see what I can do about limiting content to an extent..
I agree,opinions do count and chris takes that into consideration very well :)
Chris do you know of any SEO books that you could let about that are really good for beginners!?
@craig – That’s a good topic to add to my forum, let me go add it :)
thanks so much for the info.please send me some site where i can make money online.
thanks
@joe – I would recommend taking the time to read through all the comments, that will answer your request to receiving sites which help you make money.
Hi, I would like to know what everyone thinks of ad-ventures4u.com You dont have to pay to join but I just cant figure out how it works. You just have to surf the site and apparently get paid, but I am a little in the dark. Pieter and Chris, I would like to hear your comments.
Hi Natasha,
Firstly, why are you pasting affiliate links here?
The website looks like a nonsense system, one which I would not trust!
Natasha, that site is the normal old “Get paid to surf” crap. Don’t waste your time with it.
Thanks for the confirmation Pieter – Hope you’re well!
Hi
Thank you. I was looking for free ads on the net and got to this web somehow. Hope this helps everyone not to waste your valuable time. Thanks Peter, Chris and everyone preventing others from wasting their time
Hi people i know we must not put links here but just go and read this before anybody go for the home work thing I found it pretty damn truthfull
http://www.allmerchants.com/Articles.Starting-a-Small-Business.The-Truth-About-Online-Marketing.id.38093.htm
And Chris tx for briliant blogg
Looks like a good article @drawied, took a read over the 10 truths and agree with most of them..
Thanks for your kind words!
‘The road to success is not straight. There is a curve called Failure, a loop called Confusion, speed bumps called Friends, red lights called Enemies, caution lights called Family. You will have flats called Jobs. But, if you have a spare called Determination, an engine called Perseverance, insurance called Faith, a driver called Jesus, you will make it to a place called Success.
Bloody hell!
Took me a couple of hours to read through this entire thread but I just want to say that I’ve learnt a helluva lot by doing so.
It would seem that the name of the Internet Business game is research, research, research until it comes out your ears! I prefer to cover my bases, having been burnt on numerous occasions by the lovely selection of scams making the rounds on the net.
At present I’m investigating alternate ways of making some cash online that has little or nothing to do with eMarketing and all the jargon that seems to tether along with it. Whether or not it turns out to be legit is of course another story but like everything else I take on I will make sure I know ALL the ins and outs before I jump in.
Having been involved on and off in the search for the ever elusive work-at-home op for close to 5 years, I leave you with a selection of thoughts:
1. It takes time
2. It takes determination
3. It takes money, some of which you will NEVER see again, except a couple of years down the line IF you keep at it
4. It takes research, research, research
5. It takes patience and the willingness to learn through experimentation.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH. Do not delude yourself into thinking that you are going to get something for nothing my friend. The Universe does not operate that way, and that which you don’t put in you won’t get out. Believe me when I say this! I’ve had to learn this lesson the hard way, as has been my tendency to do throughout my existence on Planet Earth.
To Chris I just want to say thanks. Thanks for starting this thread and keeping abreast of it and being willing to share your insider info with the noobs, myself included. The same goes to Pieter, Darren, Craig and Joan. You will receive multiples of what you have given.
Now it’s time for my own little adventure to begin. Should everything work out the way I trust it will there will be a post on this thread to that effect. In the meanwhile, godspeed to you all and may every single person here find the one niche that sets them free!
Hi Beesblaas. I agree with just about all you say above. It is just point 3. It does take money to get started but people must keep in mind that there are things you can start with very little money. Get started on your own web site or blog. While you build your blog and traffic to your blog you can look around for other things. But just get started, do not wait until you think you have enough time or money, you never will.
I think the most important thing is have patience. You will not make your Internet millions over night. It is easy to build a good steady income from the Internet, but only a handful of people become instant millionaires.
Talking about costing money, do not waste too much money on buying the one big promise eBook after the other, especially not the American ones.
Good luck
I know from my experience that when I started out I had literally no money, I was a student with a hefty student loan and hardly enough money to buy a pack of smokes. That said, and mentioned by Pieter, there are various ways you can advertise without involving much money at all. From word of mouth to creating a Facebook group to learning a little search engine optimization – these few small things should be enough to generate a little income and then you can reinvest the income into some more powerful ways of marketing what you’re doing.
Well said Chris, agree 100% mate…
The small things def help you build up and lead to a bigger and better operation, making you more knowledgable at the same time! And still the smaller things, such as facebook, SEO, word of mouth, that can all be fun in the process!! :)
@Beesblaas – yes, what you say is very true. One will never be successful without putting the work in first. Actually, they were interviewing a guy on Carte Blanche the other day and he was saying that even the worlds greatest minds had to put in at least 10 000 hours before they were successful! Read that again – 10 000 hours!
None of us ever became succesful without putting in some blood sweat and tears, and with some trial and error – sometimes lots of trial and error.
The big thing is to just follow logical steps. So, you want to work online. Logical step no 1. Learn how to set up a website – even if it is a free one like a Squidoo page or a blogger.com blog. Then post to it. See if you can continue posting what you thought you wanted to post initially. If it becomes too hard to post about your chosen subject it is probably because it is the wrong subject. It helps to choose something that you have a real interest in. For instance, I have a website around the Alkaline diet – you can see it here: http://www.ph-miracle-diet.com – I am interested in the subject and I follow the diet so it is easy for me to make posts about it. That was not always so though. I also started websites and blogs on subjects that I gave up on after a while.
The problem with most people is that they want to eat the whole elephant now – instead of doing it bite by bite.
I had a guy who begged me to teach him how to make money on the Internet through a course I gave, but he insisted on following his own mind instead of listening to what I tried to teach him. Guess where he is now – back to square one of course.
You have to start with the basics – get the website, once that is up and running, learn how to get traffic to it, then learn how to monetize it, learn how to build a list etc, etc. There are many steps in building a succesful website but can be done if you focus on one thing at a time.
Because of the fact that success does not follow overnight, most people jump from ebook to ebook, from this method to that method – it is madness. You need to take one method and learn it and apply it until it starts making progress.
A website will take literally 3 months to get off the ground properly. In that time you have to post to it, do article marketing, get back links, set up an autoresponder to build a list, get more back links, publish more articles. It is hard work – but it will pay off in the end if you do one thing – FOCUS!
I would also like to thank each and every person on this site. Just think about it – When an unemployed man makes R100 000 in 1 month it is front page news, but when 100 000 people take 10 years to build an R10 000 income, nothing is news. Why? It is very little that someone makes R100 000 in one month. Yet we expect to make millions online. Even the Guru’s that say – get 80 signups in 1 week blah blah. You will see that they all struggled for years and they have learned that people buy because of the fear of loosing so they use that to push your buying buttons. If someone could tell me about a tree that grows money and charge me R200, I will buy the tree, but we know that it is not realistic so you wont fall for the tree story right? Yet many people fall for the schemes of making thousand in your first month. There is no such thing as get rich quick. Some people do it by physically working and sweating (working hard), others do it by working clever. Think about Rich Dad, Poor Dad. You get the self-employed entrepreneur (those that just dont want to work for a boss) and you get the business owner entrepreneurs (the ones that wants to be the boss). You can be a selfemployed entrepreneur and just cover your expenses and live a comfortable live or you can be a business owner, buy other peoples time and get rewarded on their efforts. Chris, I love the fact that your blog emails people everytime a comment is posted, in this way we dont have to keep going in and out of the blog the whole time. And because of that people stay connected and share valuable information. Great work! Please dont close this blog ever, it is my daily motivation. And good luck to all future entrepreneurs.
I just want to know if this be motivated today is real or is it a scam?
can anyone help me
thanx
Hi Daphne,
Personally, I’m not convinced, it’s too much like all the other referral systems, which require a great deal of marketing and experience from your side..
Hi Daphne,
With regards to “motivated today”. Yes it is indeed a referral system and the question is just how effective these kind of systems are. Again, one should consider the product to be referred in relation to the cost there off. Also, on paper the potential money to be earned is always hugh.
Thus, to me not to bad considering the cost per month (I am sure I spend more per week on lotto, which also give me nothing).
You do get everyday a motovation ( and heaven knows I need that), the e-books available to download is also not to bad.
Please note I do not want to use this forum to canves for people that why I am not going to give my referral code (however should you wish to join, please e-mail me for a referral agentassist@ananzi.co.za)
Hi Everyone,
I’ve decided that it might be a wise idea for us to start talking about this in another location, so what I’ve done is create a topic in my forum, which will be a great place to talk and share ideas around the whole Work From Home topic.
You can access the forum with the link below, you will need to create an account, but it’s for the best, it’ll allow me to weed out the spam and rubbish posts more easily..
http://www.imod.co.za/forum/discussion/20/making-money-from-home-with-the-internet/
Hope to see you all there!
PS. Another good reason is that the forums are all about search engine optimization, making money and other related topics, so you’ll stumble across a good number of other useful topics too :)
Hi Daphne
Regarding Be Motivated. I have been a member for 6 months and I’m just covering my subscription. If you are looking into a long term opportunity then maybe you can consider it but if you want to make money immediately I will in all honesty not recommend BMT. Email me at (removed). I would like to send you a link for free MLM training. I don’t believe BMT is a scam, but it will not bring you a great income in your first month. It does require hard work. First you need a mentor, that is why I want to send you the free mentoring link, I have learned a lot from this training. If I have to choose any MLM in South- Africa I would choose one that is expanding internationally or paying deeper level like BMT but you should choose people that is interested in the product. Some appreciate the product and some don’t. The ones that join simply for the income opportunity normally cancel very quick.
Hope this helps you. If you do decide to join them, just sign up under the person that referred you, after all, they have done the work.
Hi Ashley,
Please would you provide us with the link before we allow your email address to be published. The reason for this is that we like to verify all the systems before people are mislead. I’m sure you’ll appreciate this.
Thank you
Hello everyone! I have been looking for work-at-home opportunities for some time now and have read all your comments. Thanks to Chris and everyone else who has been giving great advice. Does anyone know of the following work-at-home opportunity: I applied to an advert from a company called SA Executives (or SAX) for Response Typists. It is managed by a guy called Scheldon Gerstner. Once you pay him R80 he issues you with a list of about 32 USA companies that you can apply to for assignments such as Typists, PA, Data entry assistants, Administrative assistants – general virtual office work, document prep etc etc etc. I am not sure how legit this is and wondered if anyone else has come across this ad? Joan, maybe you know and can shed some light for me? Thank you!!!!!!
Hi Ilone
I personally would be loathe to pay any monies to people advertising those kind of opportunities. If the companies are American I can almost guarantee you that no one but an American would qualify for the jobs that they advertise in any case.
There are not many companies that outsource their typing work, but if they do it is normally in the form of transcription work and you can find many transcription companies for free by doing some research on the Internet.
Most opportunities advertising typing or data entry are scams.
Blessings
Joan
Thanks Joan! These niggling little feelings in once gut should best never be ignored. Have a super day!!
i need to work from home to have more time with my family
Hi guys, has anyone ever used “Prosperity through Generosity” here. I’m torn between going for it and holding it off. I am flat broke and have bills to pay!
what do u think of MULTISURE CAN I GO FOR IT
Multisure’s product is insurance and insurance is not my personal taste. But that is only my personal opinion. Seems like they have a good system and their web sites looks very good. Just one thing with these insurance based products – make sure the commission is for life. Some of them only pay you commission on a new client for a year or two and then the comms on that clients stops which means that you will have to keep on working and recruiting to keep your income.
I think when it comes to insurnace, home loans, property, debt and medical related systems, it’s normally best to give them a miss unless you’re quite experienced in the online world. These topics are the most competitive and attracting targetted traffic to your offerings will be incredibly difficult. I have first hand experience working with insurance, property, medical and accommodation systems and they’ve been the hardest for me, and I have 6+ years of experience in online marketing and affiliate systems..
Hi can u help please, i am connected 24/7 and would like to use my pc to make some extra money,i am retierd and have lots of time on hand.Thanks Zed.
Hi Zed, have you taken the time to read all the other comments yet? I think that’s a good first move and it will help you narrow down what you’re looking for, rather than just asking the obvious..
Thanks Chris M read it all, could Dawid (26 Mar) and Natasha (10th Aug)pleas give feedback on BEMOTIVATEDTODAY IT LOOKS GOOD, and what do you think of it. Baie dankie Zed.
Glad you had time to look over all of it – hopefully someone can come and give you more detail on BeMotivatedToday!
Hey!!
I actually paid someone to give me a “training manual”…they told me that i would be a data capturer..it turns out that the training manual was just a whole lot of pages explaining to me that i have to recruit people EXACTLY the same way i got recruited….and then as soon as they pay me..i forward them the “training manual”…is this illegal?
Hi Chris. Pity i never stumbled upon this site a week ago – would have saved me R700-00. Have returned the product and now just waiting for the promised refund. Opportunities exist out there in abundance in the form of small franchises manufacturing household goods. The initial outlay is negligible and can be at under 50k. You then have the expertise and the machines to manufacture the goods with. Look at magazine called (i think) Your Business. I have and have already started manufacturing and selling. Thanks for all your useful info.
@ Elf – dude, run for your life :) That is a typical pyramid scam. They have no product – that is a first red flag. Secondly, you get paid to do what they are doing – recruit more gullible people into believing that they can actually make money with data capturing.
I do hope you have not spent any money on that. If they have a website you need to report them as a scam – somewhere on this page closer to the top there are some websites listed where you can report these people. There are serious fines involved for this kind of thing nowadays.
Blessings
Joan
Joan, why do you say that it is a scam? Ockert posted some positive comments in August. I have just signed up last night and have already received stacks of information. Their “product” is already in electronic form in my e-mail with the dvd’s to be posted. Ockert, you may want to elaborate please as you seemed so positive about the “product”. Barry
@Barry – any program that requires you to just resell advertising to recruit other people is a scam. If Elf did not explain it properly, please email me the site link to joan@vaforhire.co.za and I will take a proper look at it.
Thanks
Joan
Read the Gazette on this, you can get a copy at
http://www.freeonlineads.co.za/donot-place-these-ads-gazette.pdf
If the read this Gazette you will understand it better
@ Barry – OK Barry, I think you thought my post was aimed at you. I was actually talking to Elf :) I don’t know what program Elf is talking about but it is a surefire scam just reading how he described it.
Joan
Hey everyone
Very nice to see so many South African bloggers and Internet marketers out there. I just read in the District Mail (17 September 2009 issue) an ad for hbiz.co.za they did include a cell phone number so I think I’m going to call it and the District Mail and complain as it is a complete waste of time and money.
I do wonder how many people fall for these scams. I think people just don’t realize the only way to make money is to work for it.
Thought I’d just make people aware that this scam is still going on… And now back to job hunting.
Btw love the blog, definitely one of the better SA blogs I have seen. Did you enter this blog into the SA Blog Awards?
Ian
Hi Ian,
Thanks for joining in on the discussion! It is sad to imagine how many poor people are losing money due to these terrible programs and what’s worse is that there are just so many of them :/
This blog won Best SA Blog about Technology, Computers and Web Development in 2008 and Best SA Blog about Science and Technology this year :)
Hi Chris
Thank the good Lord I came across this site as I was just about to register with “What Really Makes Money”. What an eye opener it was reading the comments here. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with others. I really learnt a lot and will be much more cautious in the future.
Thanx again
Michael
It’s my pleasure Michael, we’ve all worked incredibly hard to get this thread to where it is! Please do keep us posted on what you decide to do :)
Hi everyone i have joined with bemotivatedtoday and i believe u could realy make money of it but it will take time and effort feel free to have a look at the site thanks Martin Horring
Hi Martin,
Thanks for your comment, please refrain from posting affiliate links here in the future, I’d appreciate it.
Hi.
Can anybody tell me what is the best article rewriting tool. Or at least a decent one. I’m not English.
Regards.
Jan
This must be the longest post I have ever seen, thanks for all off yours’ advice.
Must I have a web site to make money online and if I do how difficult is it to build one?
Yes, you do need a web site. If you try and do it without a web site you are just promoting somebody else’s brand for him and you are left with nothing but memories.
So if you are serious about it you must have your own web site.
It is very easy to build your own web site. Have a look at http://www.createyourownwebsite.co.za . There are step by step videos that show you how to create your own site.
@John – Probably the easiest way to get your own website is by using http://www.yola.com/
Does Yola give you a free domain name as well or is it one of those unprofessional subdomains? Free hosting like Yola and Weebly are fine for beginners who are not very serious.
It is better to build something on your own domain.
I am not sure about Yola but I know Weebly gives you the free site but they take 50% of your adsense earnings. See http://www.weebly.com
Would you be happy with http://imod.yola.com ?
It is a subdomain, but on a highly ranked base domain, which gives you a kick start with rankings, so if you’re not hell bent on the actual domain name (which you can upgrade to a .com for a small fee), then it’s actually a good way to go – their website creating engine is brilliant – It was created by Vinny Lingham, from South Africa, and after it got a huge investment, they moved to Silicon City..
I usually use yola to make websites. Still a hobby so not making that much from adsense yet. So I make the free website with yola and buy the domains from an international company as its much cheaper than here in SA, but then I buy co.za domains in SA. So I just pay for the domain per site. So costs less than R100 to have a site with your own name up. The more you practice, the better you get.And you keep all your adsense earnings at Yola.
My problem is getting traffic to these sites. Any tips? I usually get these sites indexed in google in less than a week. But the co.za domain is taking longer for some reason.Any advice.
Pieter, go to Google but pages from South AFrica. Type in paintball shop. At the bottom of page 1 you will see a subdomain of bloglines.co.za. This site is ranking and probably getting traffic. It’s not my site and I haven’t done keyword research on it and I’m not even sure how this site is been monetized but subdomains on high pr sites will rank with a little bit of seo and social media.
It is fine to use a subdomain. I own many many plus my own that is. My very first site I built on a subdomain ranks No1 for a keyword that has “173000″ competing pages.
For those of you that are starting out. Your own domain is the way to go but not the be all and end all of making money online then use subdomains on sites like yola, wordpress, blogger, squidoo to build links and send additional traffic.
@ Johnathan, it depends on how stiff your competion is. To get sites indexed fast send their rss feed to feedage.com and bookmark a couple of times. Works well….more to it than just this but a good start. Make sure if you buying .co.za that you are targeting a local market and not overseas.
I have only made sites with yola and I dont know how to add RSS to my sites. Any help?
Johnathan, I haven’t used yola but there should be an rss widget. If not you should consider moving over to another platform like wordpress. RSS is essential for indexing, backlinks as well as delivery of content to your visitors.
Johnathan, I see blemish is not indexed. Would you like me to send it some link love and get it indexed for you. How long have you been waiting for it to be indexed?
You shouldn’t use duplicate content on your first page or any page for that fact. You will be competing with other web pages that have the same content and have higher pr. Depends how aggressive your backlink strategy is.
This is the first website I made with just articles on it. Maybe thats why its taking forever to get listed. A would appreciate the link. I have been waiting about 2 weeks now. The other ones I made got indexed much faster.
WOW. No 2 in Google for acne blemish. Pages from South Africa. Not bad hey Johnathan. All of about 1 hour.
Enjoy
no 2 for acne blemishes. no 5 for blemishes. no 1 for blemish. no 3 for how to get rid of acne blemishes.
Definately indexed now mate.
Wow! Thanks Craig! I dont know how you did it but thanks! You should share these secret tips with our beginners in the forum ;-)
I really enjoyed to read all the comments. It gave me much ammunition. I think I was conned by Fresh Market. And the company Fleet street Publications even rated them as a very good company to do surveys with. I wrote an email to Fleet Street Publications to complain. Yes, I have subscribed to their newsletter which is called “What really makes money”. But to date I have not bought any of their subsciptions. Some of their newsletters is sometimes accompanied with advertisements like “The Money Club Report by Richard. I won’t mention his surname. This Richard will then in his report tell you how to earn extra money. Then you have to pay R279,00. I think there is so many ways to make money. But soon I will stop subscribing to e-mail reports from Fleet Street Publications. However they do say that not all the information they give gaurantee a person to get income.
Oops, I meant Fresh Marketing. Yikes, I spelt “gaurantee” wrong, it should have been “guarantee”.
Ye Johnathan, that’s the idea behind the forum, to move people from this thread into the forum to share great tips and tricks when it comes to making money online, search engine optimization and working from home :)
For those who are interested, to access the forums, use this link – http://www.imod.co.za/forum/
Sorry I was out all day. Craig and Johnathan you shared a wealth of information.
I found that if you use a wordpress blog to post a new post you might get a top ranking within a day. I had No2 position for “global verge scam” on the same day I posted the post. But I also see that you do not stay there. I think this is because Google is trying the real time indexing thing.
Also try other languages. I had top ranking for “kragopwekkers”(generators) within a week after creating kragopwekkers.com
I do not use third party articles, I write all content myself.
@Nico “However they do say that not all the information they give gaurantee a person to get income.”
That is because you can give one idea to two people. The one will become a multi millionaire from it and the other will give you a million reasons why he cannot get it to work.(mostly – “I do not have the time”)
That is why nobody can ever guarantee you that the money making idea he gives you will work.
I must agree that the FSP newsletters are getting to me as well. They just send you the one sales pitch after the other and never any real useful information.
Hi Craig.I found the RSS widget on yola. I see I can change the link to the RSS feeder. Anyone now where I can get a link for RSS?
What link for RSS Johnathan? If the widget is added to the website then all you do is click on it and a new window will load. The url will be the RSS feed url. This is what you add to RSS aggregators.
Pieter, there is always going to be a google dance on a new webpage. The more authority you give it by adding links the higher it will climb or more consistant the ranking will be. Also depends on how many new pages your competition is adding.
I’ve not played with Yola too much, but if there’s an ability to change the RSS link, then I would suggest using http://www.feedburner.com to do that, it’s probably the best system available for RSS Feeds..
Johan.
As jy nog hierdie blog volg, sal ek dit waardeer as jy my kan kontak by janpn@telkomsa.net.
Dankie.
Jan
hello every one i wanted to ask people who have try that guy ‘NICK LAIGHT’ of ‘what really makes money’ or is aserious scumer???????????????,and hello every one from northerncape
hi guys
thank you so much for th info provided below. it has helped me alot.
i have been looking for opportunities to work form home for a long time. i am now expecting my first child and am really desperate for that extra cash to help my husband.
i am not particulary good at the net and all but i am a good typist and administrator. does anyone know which websites offer work from home opportunities for me.
Regards
Som
Hi Chris M or anyone
Could you let me no if there is anyway of making a couple of rand on the internet with food recepies. (I have 5000+)
Im am not a web fundie but if anyone can help me it would be appreciated.
Thanks
Johan
Hi Johan,
The main problem with this sort of thing is that you need experience in making a website to really benefit from your collection of information. Sites such as http://www.justeasyrecipes.co.za is probably the sort of thing you should be aiming for – it’s an investment though, hiring someone to put together a good website for you and then waiting for the revenue to start coming in. There are free website making tools, but to do it properly, the free ones won’t be sufficient in my opinion..
I hope that helps!
The “Be Motivated Today” can work if other than your family and friends support you, because in my case my family and friends can see it as network marketing and to them it is also similar to piramid schemes. With network marketing you also have uplines and downlines and according to one friend of mine he hates the idea of the top guy earn the most. Another contact of mine says that if one of your people in between falls out you will not get an income. I sure hope I can find a work from home scheme that really works because so far 90% of them I found are scams.
Hi chris
Thanks for the info, can you recommend someone that i can contact- i am in pretoria
Thanks
Johan
@Nico
Regarding the advice you received from your friend:
1. It is not true that the top guys earns the most. You can join on my level 8 and if you work harder than me you can be earning more than me. That is what is nice about MLM, it is an equal opportunity business. Perhaps you should read this article at http://www.earnextra.co.za/pyramid to understand it better. Besides the fact that you can earn more than me, if it bothers somebody that somebody else will earn more than him then he’s got a poor person’s mentality. Does it bother you that you made the Ackermans billionaires by shopping at P&P or that you are making the banks rich by using a bank account?
2. With BMT if the people in between falls you away you only loose the income you would have earned on those people. So if one person on your level 3 falls away you loose something like R2.00 per month but you still earn on the rest of your team.
@Pieter – What you say about a person being bothered about another person earning more money, you’re 100% on the money there. I reckon that’s the number 1 cause for most people not making money!
I’m in a program that really works,operates in 55 countries including SA.I own my own business and i work from home.Call me on 0792992396 or 0413741655.Im in Port Elizabeth.
@lindsey – I would appreciate it if you could share some more information please, what is the name of the program and what skillset does a person need..
Try this site ,https://www.sfimg.com it will teach you from the beginning to end ,you will be making money in a month or so depends on how commited you are .i would recomend it to everybody that want to start and learn .
I’ve heard a fair amount about SFIMG, and it’s like anything, still requires you to gather a fairly strong following. My advice would be to visit the website, look at who the leading users are, get their names and Google them – You’ll find plenty of information on these people and with this information you’ll be able to find their websites and take a look into what they’ve done to grow their following and you should be able to learn from them and evolve your own online business..
Hi Chris M,
Thanx for this blog of yours! I have read quite a number of comments and it has been very informative!! I really appreciate your effort!
I am looking to start creating a few websites (like you suggested) and then making use of “Google Adsense” or “TrafficSynergy.
I am only still beginning and want as much help as possible. So could you tell me:
# A few websites where I can start making proper a website for as cheap as possible?
# A few of you most succesful websites you have made, so I can check it out and learn from you?
You can also e-mail me if you would prefer that. Thanx again for the blog!
Look forward to hearing from you…
hi, there i wonder if some one can help me, im looking for a simple online typing job that will pay me…. i dont want to pay any signup fees, etc as i have just lost R350. at hbiz.co.za
please help im sure that there must be at least one company that you guys can refer me to..
thanx a million..
Usaidy, how have you lost R350?
i have joined with hbiz.co.za thinking that i will really make money and can you believe it i havent made any money and i working like mad for two months!! they promised i will make 24 000 in the first six months! huh? i claimed a refund but i havent heard of them since… when i applied they said just do the work and watch the money rolling in your account,, no one said that i actually have to wait for someone to buy the product that i promote than only i will get paid. im really desperate to find some type of work that as soon as i do the work i get paid hopefully i will find something soon.
Hi there, spent afternoon going through blog-very interesting and saving me alot of money. I’m home with my little girl and looking for something to keep me busy… I’ve looked through all the “work from home” sites and they all look dodgy. Thanks to this blog i can narrow the search down and have some entertainment as well. Keep going guys.
Hi Danel,
Glad we could all assist you with your decisions!
Hi Johan and everyone out there. You have recipies, can you cook? I am sure there are people in your area that would like to learn to cook. Instead of selling the recipies, why don’t you offer cooking classes? It will cost you about R200 to place an ad in your local newspaper (you have to ask for the 7-point lineage ad) tell the person that quote you that you want the cheapest ad, they always charge about R350 so you have to tell them you don’t want to pay that much. Or alternatively you can get it printed in small recipe books and get schools in your area to market it. I have just started my own sales training business, I place one ad and I charge R800 for 2days. My first client already paid and I am waiting for a few more to make the payments. The ad costed me R244, it cost me nothing to train, just time so I have already made R536 and that just on 1 client. There are many people that want to learn certain skills but they don’t have the funds for formal training, offer to teach people how to cook. Work out what the ingredients will cost and put a profit extra on. We all know something tht someone else might want to learn, whether it is painting houses, fixing taps, knitting, potty-training children. To sell a service is always better than to sell a product as you dont have overheads. If you need to buy ingredients, you will only have to do so after the client paid their booking fees. I would rather risk R240 on an advert that on a scammer.
Great idea Natasha. Some years ago we sent our domestic worker for cooking lessons which was a great help to us and it was another skills and course she could add to her CV. So keep that in mind as well.
@Natasha – That’s definitely a good way to do things, very much taking this conversation to offline rather than online, but it’s still working from home and it’s a cool idea :)
@Pieter – Cool idea to send the domestic for cooking lessons, very kind of you!
Hi Natasha, thanks for the idea, but i am no cook, over the years I collected all kinds of recipies, maybe it was the nice pictures that got me going. Some said I should make a E-book and sell it on the web, would that work and how would i do something like that. Remember i am not that good on the PC.
I am one of the people who likes to make extra cash working from home hence i have come across scammers and even end up getting e-mails from some of them’can anyone help me by pointing out genuine sites
Farai.
Maybe I can help. Email me @ janpn@telkomsa.net.
Regards
Thanks for the great feedback guys. Yes, I also thought the training is a good idea and what is more is that the people I am training will also have the opportunity to get more prospects, I then pay them a commission for every new person they enroll, which will save me money on advertising.
Johan
You might not be able to cook and there are many people that aren’t. Get a lady to help you if you need to. You can split the profit. You can give lessons on easy cooking for bachelors or something of that kind, or affordable cooking… You can obviously makes recipy books as well, but is the recipies your own? If not, is there a copyright on them? You would need to divide them into different sections like savoury, sweet, cake etc. I would like to have a recipy book with recipies for a month and a shopping list of what is required to make the meals so that I can just go an buy it and not worry about not having to go to the shop every now and then, also an estimate of what it would cost (that should have the date on because obviously food become more expensive everyday. That is alot of work, I know, but that is why I would buy it if someone else writes is.
@Johan have a look at http://www.afrikaners.org.za/skakels/resepte.php
You will note at the top is an add for recipes book. It might not be much but as affiliate I sell one or two of them using this page. SO it shows that people are in fact buying it. Perhaps you can consider creating a pdf eBook or setup a site where you add the recipes on pages and add google ads on the site to make money
Hi Pieter
You are such a great help. I am a sales person and I am not very clued up with the internet marketing. I just thought of another way to help Johan. Magnetic marketing means giving something to attract people and then sell your product. Johan you can for example place an ad for cooking lessons: R50 and then when the people attend the cooking, you can sell the recipies then. If you sell 5000 recipies at R2 each, you will make R10 000. I hope you can use this. I will think of more ideas and keep you updated.
What do i need and what is it all about.
I have done almost every type of Network Marketing system out there – Multisure, Provinet, ICI, BeMotivatedToday – and in the end ended when I was fed up with not making money, or working systems that went under (ProviNet), I ended up right back at the traditional one I left because I felt was not “clever enough”, Golden Neo-Life Diamite (GNLD)
It is a misconception that in Network Marketing the person on the top earns the most. I currently earn more that the person who introduced me to it.
Only in a pyramid scheme does your work and effort have more benefit for the person above you, than it does for you. In Network Marketing (MLM) your effort benefits you, and the one who introduced you has to work as hard to enjoy the fruits of their own labour.
We live in a greedy society and we all want these huge empires without much effort or sweat. Network Marketing ensures that for you to benefit from your downline, you have to help them to become successes.
Tim Sales (www.firstclassmlm.com) speaks of this very problem.
Anyone looking to make a serious income from home should consider Network Marketing. It is not the system that is flawed, it is the fact that we are all to greedy to help others succeed the way we want to succeed.
Thanks Llewellyn, could not have said it better.
hi guys.
can you please explain to me what is the difference between MLM and a pyramid scheme.
in my opinion they both go the same route (ie:you have to get others to join)
is there any other way to make money online, without trying to get people to join under you and the like.
i’ve got an idea how to make money using the internet as a tool and i can do it from home.
and its not marketing or selling something..
is it wise to do this, or am i going to cause a problem?
@Shiraz read http://www.earnextra.co.za/pyramid it explains it in detail
What are your take on http://www.holidays-and-cash.co.za? Thanks in advance.
Paul – I hope you’re not just dropping your link here for traffic, because trust me, you don’t want to do that.
Holidays for cash is expensive. You can make stacks of money with it but believe me it is hard work. It is much harder to get people to sign up for an expensive network than an affordable one.
I see more people succeed in an affordable network than in an expensive on. With the expensive ones you mostly see a hand full of good networkers making stacks of money and the rest nether make money.
These holiday related networks tend to not last especially with that commission structure. You name them and see if they are still around, Business Club, VIP Express, Getawayclub….. A Handful of people made millions from them but they are not sustainable. I have not touched base with Business Club for a while now but VIP Express and Getawayclub are both history.
@Shiraz: There are plenty ways online to make money. You could set up a website and sell a product or service (check out what Pieter has done at createyourownmebsite.co.za as an example).
You could also create a blog with readable articles and use adsense or affiliate links to create an income (Chris discusses that at the top of this page)
There are many other ways to create an income online.
Nevertheless, in order to do any of the above you have to get people to “join” or “buy”. So you end up running into the same problem you have by trying to avoid MLM.
My suggestion is then (1) to join a “REAL” MLM opportunity. A company that has a product that actually is of use to you and your family and can actually improve your life and can be used month to month. (2) Avoid these scams that get you to pump money into some scheme where you get vouchers or FREE emails (that you might never read or use)(3) create your own website where you can sell your product (people don’t need to join any network because the product is good enough) and earn retail profits (4) Place adsense or affiliate banners to your website (5) Have a page so that when your regular customers have used and have for themselves experienced the benefits of the products you sell, you can let them know of the business opportunity you offer.
I will say this again, if the MLM company you are thinking of joining does not have a consumable product that can be sold without your prospective customer needing to join, you are going to end up very frustrated because people will regularly unsubscribe.
If you are interested to know what I recommend, click my name to view my site or visit http://www.naturalhealth.za.net (Chris I hope I have your permission to place my link, please remove it if it violates your T&C)
@Llewellyn – Very true words. I agree on all except your second last paragraph ” does not have a consumable product that can be sold without your prospective customer needing to join,”
My view is that you will do better if you join a business where you have a passion for what you do or for the product. There are companies out there with consumable products that are so extremely expensive that people also unsubscribe because they just cannot get themselves to buy R60 toothpaste anymore. In those networks the products are mostly used by the members only and not other people.
You also get networks which do not have a consumable product which still have a very useful high demand product. Take ICI for example, their product is a plan where they help you to build your own share portfolio. It is not a consumable product but the demand is higher than a R60 tube of tooth paste.
I always tell people that if you do not know how to or cannot afford to build your own web site then MLM is the very best place to start. Your own web site is the next step. On your site you can also make money from adsense and affiliate marketing but you can still be promoting your MLM on your site. So it is not a matter of the one or the other but rather starting with one and adding the others later on.
I tend to ignore the American hype which is all over the Internet. If a site tells you “Make $10,000 in 2 weeks without doing anything” Just smile at them and close the browser window because you will be taken for a ride.
Oh, Sorry, what I still wanted say about consumable good MLMs is that they are good and there are nothing wrong with them as long as the products are not WAY over priced.
@Pieter. I fully agree with you. A network opportunity like ICI is one of the few that has no consumable product yet is an excellent opportunity nevertheless(I to am also a member of ICI).
Your point about price is also valid. Ensure your product is valued at the price it is sold for. I will use myself as an example…
I live an extremely hectic life and my diet was not really balanced. I did not use GNLD because I felt their products were too expensive and I refused to promote anything I could not honestly recommend or was myself not using. My wife continuosly tried to get me on multi-vitamins all of which I could not feel the benefits of.
3 months ago my wife and I started using GNLD again out of pure despiration and we both already are experiencing new vitality. I have started to loose weight (without using any weight loss package) and my wife who suffers with IBS has not experienced any difficulties with her stomach.
We have not even been using the “HIGHER PRICED PRODUCTS” because of our sceptiscm. Now we have no doubt that their products are worth what we pay. Our family doctor says it is our supplementing our diets that made all the difference.
Now with all that said, If GNLD sold a R60.00 toothpaste, I would not use it unless it included a FREE trip to space.
Don’t get so bias about your products that you are unable to see when they are over-priced. Don’t promote any product that you yourself would not buy.
Re: “I will say this again, if the MLM company you are thinking of joining does not have a consumable product that can be sold without your prospective customer needing to join, you are going to end up very frustrated because people will regularly unsubscribe.”
Even ICI allows you to join as simply an investor without having to join the business opportunity side of things.
@Llewellyn – “Now with all that said, If GNLD sold a R60.00 toothpaste, I would not use it unless it included a FREE trip to space.” Just BRILLIANT, that made my day :)
Hi Chris M! I came across your website when looking into hbiz. You saved me money and the trouble of joining them. Plz give me contacts so I can work from home. I do not want to create my own website. Thanx alot.
Hi Aneesa – My pleasure, but it’s not all me, there are a good number of other people in this thread offering amazing advice, so your thank you’s will be spread out :)
Have a read of the comments, that’s the best bet in order to find out what people are doing, what works and what doesn’t..
Chris,
i stumbled accross a facebook linked
survey programme called spidermetrix . it seems to be a fun way to earn some bucks.
Here is the link.
http://www.spidermetrix.com/
Can u check it out and let me know?
I tell you what Chris, I’ll remove the affiliate link and give it a look over and see what I can find out :)
I noted a post from Nico some months ago regarding Fresh Marketing. Did anything come of this or are they just another “survey” scam ?
I r eceived all their marketing info and to register there is a once off fee of R 370. This always starts bells ringing.
Does anyone know?
Syd, yes Fresh Marketing is another scam. When you register they give you many websites where you only get points and a change to win prizes, but there is no income involved. Many of these surveys don’t pay you with money but with prizes (not cash prizes), and that is not what I need. I needed a guaranteed income. Yes, I was scammed out of R370.
I must say to be an entrepreneur is not easy, especially when no-one wants to buy into your product or service and you are heading for the down and out row. Especially if none of your friends or family believe in it. I am trying the Home911 system but so far no-one is interested. I just wanted to throw in a comment.
When you choose a MLM the price of your product must be right. If I am not mistaken Vodacom offers the same product as Home911 at half the price. Especially in times like now, why will I part from R75 per month if I only have to pay R40 per month for the same service? Also your market might be a bit limited, where I stay we do not have a crime problem, so I have no need for that product. It is not you, I think it is the product.
Hi Nico. I did home911 for about 3 months. It is not a bad program at all, just similar products on the market that is much cheaper, as Price said. I eventually gave it up as everone I signed up in my downline did not work. MLM can make you good money but you will have to put in the time and have the patience to see some income. I have been with bemotivated since then. Its much cheaper and my downline is growing slowly but surely.
Thank you Price. I will go to Vodacom and see if it is the same. I am not good at marketing as well. I also don’t like to beg a person to take my product. I think about BMT too, but will it work for me since for such a long time I had no income. When 90% of people I know sees or hear about a MLM they reject you. Because so many people don’t make a success with it.
“I also don’t like to beg a person”
You are on the right track. Don’t beg anybody to join your MLM. You are doing them a favor to show them a way they can make money. They do not do you a favor to join. I do not beg anybody either, either they join or they leave it. I find BMT to be good because the company offers excellent support, something most MLM companies lack.
Chris, I would like to ask you a question about TrafficSynergy. Please email me.
Hi Nico,
Please ask your question here bud..
Ok Chris. I am asking you a very stupid question. I know nothing how to market and I feel TrafficSynergy also don’t help me. For me it is not common sense, the thing about marketing. How do I get the website to market? Which websites do I use? Because I need it when I register.
Firstly Nico, never consider your questions stupid mate, this is a learning forum! You’re asking a really big question that requires a lot of time to answer. Have you already got a website? If that’s the case, then we can move on to talking a little bit about the marketing thereof..
Chris, the only website I think off is the BMT one. But as I understand it this website does not serve the whole world only Southern Africa. But maybe I can still use it.
You never answered my question bud, do you have your own website you’re using for all of this?
@Nico you cannot use BMT’s web site to do other types of marketing, you can use their site only to promote their own concept. BMT will soon be an International business.
To get your own site have a look at http://www.createyourownwebsite.co.za
or you can either setup a free site like a Yola or Weebly site.
You must first have a web site ready before you can apply for membership with Trafficsynergy, Offerforge or Adsense
Hi, I got a mail from a certain Jaco who sent me some info on a certain “company” where you can make some money and while doing that you earn for yourself. To me it looks like a pyramid system and i’m fed up of waisting my time and money. If anyone has some money lying around and want to give it a shot here is the site. http://www.giveforlife.co.za.
Plz let us know if anyone knows anything about them.
Enjoy!!
DanieV
Sorry People, i made a typing mistake. I meant to say you make money for CHARITY and also earn for yourself.
Cheers
DanieV
No Chris, I don’t have my own website. Maybe I must create my own. But I have no cooking clue what the content should be.
@Nico – Ye, when it comes to online marketing and making money on the Internet, you usually need your own website. You can take a look at Yola.com or WordPress.com, which are platforms that help you to get your own website..
@DanieV – I have seen the presentation for GiveForLive and it looks great. They have all the legalities in place and yes they have some celebrities on board as well.
It is an almost direct copy from U-Care but what i like about it is that they took all the hassles and shortcoming U-Care have away and created a very professional concept.
I am not involved in it yet because I am very reluctant to join another MLM, I decided to rather focus on what I have at the moment but according to the material they sent me to evaluate it looks very good.
Hi Chris, I dont have a website, so I cannot make use of this ‘making money’ offer. What do I do now? Any other suggestions?
Hi Chris,
is the “World of Paid Surveys” for real? They claim that you get paid for answering surveys about companies, and for a survey of 50 questions, they pay about $20! Kindly advice and thank you in advance
Well, firstly my thanks to Chris
I almost went off this morning to deposit a sum to the homebiz group for their Dataworx package which seemed like a ligitamate option. Luckily I decided to do some research before jumping in.
Been full time employed I figured that doing some part time work would be great option to get rid of some painfull expenses.
Even after reading this massive blog entry, I’m still quite scary to apply for any of these “work at home” opportunitues, and particularly scared of entering the Google Adsense world with the great amounts of people already using it as a source of income.
Hi again guys.
thanks for the info regarding MLM and Pyramid.
just wanted to tell you guys (cos i think some of you miss-interpreted what i ment to say)
I am starting an internet based company.
and its fair enough that people will unsubscribe as time goes on, i understand all that, however i am still in the research stage at the moment.
and just to let you guys know, im not pulling a scam…. (for those of you that think thats what im up to)
i’ve been looking at the economy and found a hole in the market where there is NO-ONE filling at the moment.
and that is what i ment by web based company. (using the net as a tool to make money)
another thing i would like to know.
how did those guys on TV manage to get the VAS service.
I am guessing that that could be another avenue to make money
from what i see, these guys offering ringtones and wallpapers etc are downloading it for next to nothing and selling itat (R5…R10) per week?
im seriously thinking working from home is better than working for someone else, just got to find the right ….thing to make it
Hi guys, havent been back to this thread in a while. Im looking for a JV partner to start an internet business.
If you live in the Cape Town area and are confident in your marketing knowledge then plz give me a shout. thanks!!
Chris
ecoeezy@gmail.com
@Chris – Pop me an email at chris@imod.co.za with your idea, my marketing skills are good, I just need the person with the product :)
I saw that there was also some posts regarding free versus paid domain names. However I would like to reveal why those domain names are free, and why they have so much traffic.
Take note, the difference between a free subdomain and your own domain is like having your own property that appreciates in value (own domain) and renting in someones property (free domain). In other words, if you generate traffic to your own domain name you increases its value. It is not uncommon to receive offers for a good domain, and these offers varies from purchasing the domain itself as well as getting advertising space on your site. So having your own domain is much more valuable for you in the long run. Face it, it is not that expensive to have your own domain name, that almost immediately starts getting worth more.
Therefore if you get one of those free websites with a free domain, then you put in all your effort to build someone else’s domain over which you have no control.
Also for many people to get their feet wet in the online sphere is the overwhelming amount of information that they get bombarded with. Also then most do not have the technical skills to build their own website. But have a look at http://build-a-web.com if you want to know how to create your own website without having any financial commitment.
@Leon the build a web you refer to is Hannes Dryer’s site. It is not true that there are no financial commitment. You still have to pay for the expensive hosting and the course only shows you the basics, for the serious useful stuff you must subscribe to the advanced course which is a couple of thousand rands. So the “free course” is just to lure you into the web so that you can subscribe to the advanced course. Are you Leon or Noel?
No Gert, there are so many Leon’s out there, so unfortunately I am neither of the two people you refer to. I am also not Leon Schuster either lol, and neither Tony Leon.
I recently came across the website building course I have mentioned in my previous post and completed the course recently. I am very satisfied with my efforts. However the course you refer to that one needs to pay for is not necessary, as I can do enough with what I have learned. It also gives one a good idea of what to expect in terms of the training if you need to pay for the advanced course. After the basic course I can control my own website without a webmaster, and that is what I want. The hosting is not bad either, and I had to pay for it in any case.
As I said in my previous post, you have to purchase hosting and a domain name otherwise you cannot build your own online property. And for the hosting, that is not expensive, as it is cheaper than what I can get anywhere else especially when you consider the quality of hosting. Don’t make a mistake, I did my research through that I have found that the host they recommend do not do overselling. So I am moving my other websites also over to that hosting company.
Overselling is when a host sells space on their server that they do not actually have. Sounds to me like the cause of the economic crisis. To identify a host like that, check if they sell Unlimited bandwidth or Unlimited webspace. But this is not the only things to take into account. Look at the Terms of Service also and do calculations. If it is too good to be true it is too good to be true.
You will also understand where I come from when I explain how I burned my fingers with a cheap host saying that you have unlimited bandwidth and webspace.
The problem I experienced was that my visitors were getting error 500, and it was intermittent, so it took me a while and alot of lost business before I realized this. Remember you do not see this errors and your customers do not necessarily tell you. They visit another website instead. So you might loose business and you do not even know it.
So I had my webmaster had a look and he spent 2 months trying to debug stuff, of which I paid him to do. After the bills and he telling me that nothing is wrong, I decided to empower myself and therefore I am doing a lot of courses, and reading a lot. To make a long story short, I then discussed this with my host, and they told me that I was using too much resources.
Guess what, the host sold me unlimited bandwidth and unlimited webspace (overselling). So I originally thought it was open season and drove traffic to the site. What my host told me was that they have limited my resource usage. I asked them what resources as I had unlimited. They told me, cpu and memory usage. I could only have 15 instances of my website ran at the same time, anything above that they give an error 500. Now 15 instances are 15 visitors. So at random times I had more than 15 visitors at the same time.
I moved hosts, paying a little extra, and the problem got solved. I personally avoid hosts with claims that you have unlimited whatever, as they intentionally hide the truth from me.
So Gert, I guess you get what you pay for when it comes to hosting too. This story of mine is not unique either, and there are other horror stories regarding hosting too, such as hosts making it difficult for you to leave them and so on.
I found this article that talks about overselling: http://whreviews.com/overselling-hosting.htm
Also note I am against any kind of overselling, as I think it is wrong, because the promise and delivery is different. If they limit you on resource usage, then they need to tell you upfront.
Anyone who wants to seriously do business online needs a website. Actually I think it is important that we start looking for ways for “traditional” businesses to trade online.
After burning my fingers one time too many, i finally came across a South African webhost that had competitive prices. A small company but excellent service. I host with them: SA 4 Real Internet Services http://www.sa4real.net
Angela, You are perfectly right. Whenever I want to buy something I am first googling for it to check for reviews or whatever. Sometimes it is really irritating to not find information because the business is not online. Or trying to search for whether Makro has a product on their shelves, before driving there.
I also think that the Internet is confusing for the big guys, and they have too much red tape to respond to something that changes as fast as the Internet. So maybe there are opportunities for the rest of us. We just need to learn about it, and use it to our advantage.
Well, if anyone needs advice on hosting, I can definitely provide information on that, as well as good prices.
@Angela is correct, to make money online, you need a website, it’s as simple as that, and one of the biggest problems is that when you go the cheap route, you get a website which doesn’t lead conversions (sales). That said, the best option is to research well and when you’re ready, invest a little money into your website – If you don’t want to make the capital outlay, then you’re not confident in your idea, so it’s a good decision maker as well :)
Hi Chris… I’m recieving notification of new comments but I’m not seeing the new comments…
Regarding what you said about googling for things, I’m the very same. Not enough South African businesses are thinking of trading online. That Biltong salesman who claims to make the best biltong in KZN should market his biltong via the Net.
hi all.
just a quick question.
how do you direct traffic to your site?
i agree with llewellyn.
not enough business are on the net.,..
think its feasable to take a chance (like what E-Bay did?)
bear in mind what happened to e-bay.
happy holidays everyone
@Llewellyn – Strange that you’re not receiving the comments, did you ever? As far as online marketing goes, people are scared to invest money because of all the stories about investing and not getting any return, this sort of thing annoys me second to nothing because people, like myself, do a proper job and our names are getting ruined. Never-the-less, you are correct, getting brand awareness online is critical with the way the world is moving from traditional to new media at such a rapid pace!
@sheraz – You ask a huge question, one which cannot just be answered; Honestly, my opinion is that you hire someone to do it for you – It’s one of those things, you wouldn’t try change the engine of your car yourself, you’d hire a professional, this is much the same thing as directing traffic to your site, stick to what you’re good at and get someone else to handle the online marketing :)
@sheraz – what did ebay do?
Hi. I,m a newbie on the net and also looking 4 something to do. You guys did give me a lot of information to absorb.
Hello Jenni. Click on my name and it will help you learn more about the ICI Income opportunity.
It is a South African company and is among the fastest growing and most trusted.
Hope this helps. I know that you have come to the right blog because there are many here who will be more that glad to lend a hand.
@Chris. Still a great blog
@Everyone. If we don’t get to chat again before the new year… be safe and have a blessed Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.
Hello Guys,
Has anyone heard of PTC (Paid to Click). I have just signed up for a South African one, it seems to have a nice pay for my efforts.
I know that these have been popular in the USA since the 90′s. I’m not too sure but I’m gonna give it a shot.
If anyone wishes to join me and see if this is real, click my name in this post.
If anyone can share more info with me on this type of income opportunity I would greatly appreciate.
I have been doing a lot of research into this PTC thing. Here is another I came across while searching for Website Hosting. http://www.sa4real.net/ptc/
It really does seem like something viable. Not quick money but honest.
Hi, I have joined Multisure but are having second thoughts after reading all your comments. I dont want to get involved with something thats illegal and can get me into trouble. Unfortunately I trust people easily. Can you please help me I would like to know if Multisure is worthwhile to continue or if I should stop it.
Mutlisure is legal. Just make sure about the commission, I know some of these insurance based MLMs do not pay you commission for life. Some of them pays you good commission which will be taken away after a year or three.
Happy New Year Guys,
Last time I blogged here I told you all about PTC. I have had such fun with this that I had to put together a site on this subject.
I have learned that some PTC is rubbish. While there are bobs to be made if done right. If you interested, pop past http://www.dreamlife.za.net
Chris, I think this thread is the leading thread on the www about income opportunities.
Hi Llewellyn, thanks for coming back and updating us on your movements, I’ll head over and take a look when I have a chance. Ye, this thread has done quite well :)
Hi Guys
I am working for a company that sells big screen projectors. Our main focus is for the Worldcup 2010. Should you be interested in selling on the sideline you are more than welcome to contact me. The company is based in Vereeniging and anyone that is interested must be able to come for a presentation. My email is jaydenraa@gmail.com We pay R750 per sale made. The company is expanding nationally and therefore there is a huge growth potential.
Hi guyz I am a stay home mom and want something to do to earn extra cash.
@chriselda – Have you read through the comments yet? They provide a lot of insight..
does anyone know anything about “World of paid surveys” website i want to join but after reading this I’m not sure if i should does anyone know if they are legit?
Hi
I was wondering if anybody knows something about “world of paid surveys”? I want to join, but after reading this I’m not so sure… I live in Cape Town and after reading this blog I’m guessing that South Africans don’t really do well with surveys…?is there anyone that can maybe tell me about a site that does actually work for us?
Thanks
I am yet to find a Survey setup that actually works, especially in South Africa..
I agree with Chris. This one seems to be similar to “Paid Surveys Etc” which is only a list of paid survey sites. So what you pay for is not some wonderful Paid Survey recipe, all they do is give you a long list of paid survey sites which you find yourself if you just do a google search for paid surveys. I also still have to see a paid survey site which works for South Africans.
Hi guys
Network Twentyone. Is this a scam ?
Hi Syd,
You need to give us a little more information about it, not everyone will recognise every system out there..
Please tell us more mate..
Network 21 is Amway. Been around for ages but is very expensive and in the end only the member use the good products. They say “Their products are priced with opportunity”
I think I just found out a few minutes to late that I got caught by an hbiz scam called eData Group. I have been a housewife for quite a while now and I though this hbiz thing could work to keep me busy and to help me earn some extra money. Now I am not too sure. Does anyone know anything about this company or progamme? I’m really angry and upset with myself now!
Well wow took me a while to go through all this posts, first time here, i just found http://surveybasket.co.za it says they have paid surveys for south africans after reading this blog m not so sure if their legit or not, Chris do you know about this website?
I live in Edgemead cape town and desperately want to use my P.C to make extra money legally.
These are the domain owners details:
lastupdate : 2007-07-27 00:03:40+02
emailsource : clayton@singhandassociates.net
emailposted : Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:16:12 +0200
registrantemail : clayton@csfgroup.co.za
Hopefully that’ll help you investigate..
Hi
Can someone tell me something about the “Be Motivated” opportunity?
Thanks.
Network 21 is the system/company that Amway uses to do their training. Neither one of these two companies are scams and I would say is probably the best way to go if you want to make money and retire much sooner. Amway is a multi level marketing company and is rated number 1 in the world. If you are prepared to put in some effort (like any business requires) then go for Amway, you will not regret it.
Oh and the good thing is you don’t have a boss. You work at your own pace, your own time!
Good luck!
Dupi, World of Paid Surveys is a scam. I paid money into their account upfront and I can’t do a thing. I’ve sent them e-mails to query it, got one response and never heard from them again. Don’t even go there!!!!
Chris M,
How trustworthy is a work from home typing
program ( Website)like Web Colleagues.I am unemployed and therefore do not have a lot of money to lay out especially on programs that i still have to do research on.
Hi All, you have mentioned the different opportunities and successes but no one has mentioned the dreaded ‘tax’ implications. Anyone care to advise.
Jackie, well observed; I think in South Africa, specifically, most people duck under the radar, which is obviously not a good idea. When it comes to making money, regardless of what you’re doing, you should still be keeping invoices/receipts and treating it as though you’re running a normal company, to which normal tax laws apply..
Love Thy Taxman as you love yourself!
If you pay tax it means that you are making money.
It would be silly to remain poor and miserable just to avoid paying tax. Start worrying about the tax man when you make too much money, at least then you can afford a proper accountant. Before you make stacks of money do not let a limited believe like the taxman keep your from earning what you are worth.
If you run a home based business you can deduct much more from your income than when you are just working for a boss on a 8 to 5 job.
Hi Chris
Brilliant topic you have here, more than two years of people still blogging! I have recently signed up for survey basket and paid R75-00 via electronic transfer. I was promised to be able to fill out surveys and get approx R15-00 (150 baskets) per survey that I fill out. So far I have had only 1 survey to fill out and nothing else comes up!! It could be because I am extremely impatient (I only signed up three days ago??? Is this Legit?
The survey thing can work if companies need enough information from people. But then I also do not thing having a million people completing the survey will be a good thing.
Survey Basket seems like a good idea the only thing I do not understand is why they have to charge you to join. They need you to complete the surveys, without you they cannot offer the company a service so why do they need you to pay to join them?
@Clint – What happens in these cases, in my opinion, is that a company starts up and they imagine that they’ll get hundreds of clients who are going to pay for data capturing, but then the clients don’t come and they don’t have surveys, so the poor subscribers (you) end up not getting any work. I think it’s dispicable that they charge you in the beginning – I’ve never paid to have a job and neither should you!
Legit – I don’t see why not unfortunately :( Whether you’ll make money – Probably, whether you’ll make enough to survive – Doubtful.
I hope that helps..
@Clint, what is your client number? I want to check this out. According to co.za the site is 3 years old and the name it is registered in is a guy who is also involved in Vox (if it is the same guy but with such a strange name there cannot be too many of them) So give me your referral number, I want to test it and see if it is for real or not, R75 is after all not money.
Why do I have to pay to join?
1. Because you earn points and cash straight away, we need to ensure that people don’t create fraudulent accounts in order to earn money, and
2. To ensure that you are serious about answering surveys
Sounds like sketchy marketing to me.
Domain owners details:
Clayton Timcke
17 Willowdown, 1st Avenue, Bordeaux,
clayton@csfgroup.co.za (www.csfgroup.co.za yields a parked domain)
clayton@singhandassociates.net (www.singhandassociates.net yields a rubbish spam site)
hi guys
this blog has been helpful to me and my quest to work from home…
can someone please tell me which website to go to for the fax2email business opportunity…
also does anyone know of the Vox phone line that they are offering now. am thinking of joining. can anyone testify to it…
Hi there Som
I have been using both the fax2email and Vox as a part-time online business opportunity. For starters, fax2email = zero money. I get about R10/month and it’s usually more effort to submit the invoice for payment than the money is worth.
VOX is pretty cool, they have a nice system, but don’t expect huge amounts of money. The Internet is saturated with telepreneurs (bleh, yuck word).
I’ve sold a few VOX units to friends/family and they’re all very happy with it, but setup was a nightmare and their callcentre staff are not the most clued-up bunch.
If you’re gonna sell VOX be pretty competent in working on routers, because you’ll need the knowledge.
To be honest, I have found many easier ways to make money online.
Tony
hi tony…
thanks for saving me re: vox and fax2email.
now i’m interested in how you’ve managed to make money from home.
wanna inbox some ideas on smahanjana@gmail.com
thanx a bunch
@Tony – Thanks for coming and sharing that information, incredibly useful!
There are loads of ways to make money on the internet. I’ve been doing internet marketing and SEO since i was 16 and its paying my Uni fees. Advice though, stay away from any “data entry” or survey promotions these are mostly all pyramid schemes and are a waste of time.
Ian
@Ian – Why not share with us some of the ways you make money online then? SEO isn’t about about making money online, it’s simply about optimizing a website in such a manner to drive organic from to a website from search engines – Gaining traffic is only half the problem, turning that traffic into conversions is another topic and selecting what to sell/refer is yet another. I’m aware that there are lots of ways to making money online, we all know this, but we’re looking for people who can share stories and give advice :)
Would cool really great to hear from you again..
Hi everyone,
There are much better ways of making money online other than being an affiliate for Fax2Email or VOX. I have been doing Internet marketing ans SEO since i was 16 and its paying for my Uni studies.
Don’t waste your time with Vox or Fax2Email the market is over saturated and the commissions aren’t that great either. Also you have to pay “dealer subscription” of R780-00. NO affiliate products I’ve marketed requires this.
Ian
@Chris M
Here is a simple breakdown of what I do:
I own a hair loss site with information on how to cure hair loss. I SEO that site to rank in the search engines for specific keyword phrases that I research before hand.
At the same time I will be looking for products to promote on my site, set up Google Adsense (Monetize), plan an email marketing strategy.
When my site receives organic hits for my keyword phrases some of them will sign up to my email campaign. From then on I will constantly build my subscriber list, email them info and products in the hair loss niche while earning commissions on the products I promote.
Of course this is just one method of SEM and email marketing. You get many different variations and methods.
Ian
Hi Ian, ok well you described the most obvious tactic, but thank you none the less :) Just curious though, you drive traffic to a hairloss site, I’d imagine you make a dollar or two a day from Adsense based on the keywords that can work in that niche – I have a good understanding of that niche and what the potential traffic is vs the potencial CPC. Building a mailing list – Fair enough, but let’s say you have a 1000 subscribers, I’d imagine that’s a decent number, do you spam them daily with advert filled emails or do you take the time to put real information together and do you sell products related to the niche using affiliate links – I presume so from what you mentioned in your comment. My guess is that you have at least 5 of these websites requiring a great amount of time to pay for your varsity fees, correct? When you narrow it down, money vs time, is it really lucrative? :)
Pieter – My referral number is 614071 and the websit is: panel.surveybasket.co.za – check it out and let me know what you think. Thanks for the advice Chris – I will keep you posted.
@Ian “Also you have to pay “dealer subscription” of R780-00″
That was exactly why I told them to shove their program and “web site” up somewhere. Cannot see why you have to pay them so you can promote their service and make them money.
Vox is clever, if you have 1000 people who promote your product but who struggle to convert sales, you have a 1000 people who pay you for the privilege to do your brand building for you.
Chris you will be surprised to see what you can squeeze out of niches like hair loss, fat loss, stop smoking, etc.
In my opinion if you setup your site like Ian explained and it runs almost on autopilot then it is great. Even if Ian makes R1,000 per month (I’am sure he makes more) then he makes R1,000 more than those people who has been surfing around the Internet looking for the next big solution.
Hi all. Any info on edata, saw an add in local news paper and thought of joining.but nervous as got taken for a ride with world of paid surveys. Thanks in advance.
@Pieter – 100% bro, I couldn’t agree more; I wasn’t saying it was bad at all, I was just looking at it practically in relation to most of the audience here :)
@Chris – The market has changed dramatically over the past two years. People are sick and tired of spam emails and they are sick and tired of being bombarded with online promotions.
In my view it became necessary to have your own web site if you want to make money online. Trying to make money with affiliate programs without having a web sites is a waste of time, it worked 3 years ago it do not work anymore.
To really make money online you must have a web site and you must have a mailing list.
data entry, paid surveys, get paid to read emails or to surf are all crap.
In my opinion the only way to make money online without your own web site is to join an online MLM where you will get a mirror site to promote.
Some people make money by online Forex Trading, but I am sure that 95% or more people loose more than what they make. So for the general audience I would not even go there.
So my advice to the “general audience” around here is to stop wasting your time and money on looking for “the next best thing”. The guys selling the eBooks are making a living from you guys. Rather spend your money on setting up your own web site.
I couldn’t agree more – The first advice I give anyone is to learn how to get their own website, and further, to look into HTML, without this basic knowledge, the journey of working from home or making money online will not go very far. I’m not big into the mailing list side of things, I do have a massive email list of opt in people, but I’m yet to make use of it to be honest.
Ye, the Forex Trading is probably as successful as playing poker on Silver Sands ;)
Hi Chris M, I am new to this site. I have read every word on this site …
Clint spoke about SurveyBasket. Is it legit?
@Sanita – I’m really not a fan of Survey websites, they usually ask for cash upfront, then follow that with a decent survey and then you don’t hear much from them again, I’ve seen it happen over and over again :/
Yeah i totally agree, survey sites seem to be of interest to newbie marketers but are really just scams. If you want to make real money online you need to do the research, join the mailing list of a successful marketer, put in the (countless) hours studying everything from SEO to PPC to Social Media. Its not easy and whoever tell you otherwise, clearly doesn’t know what they are talking about. That said, its still a million times easier than MANY offline jobs. And a million times more rewarding!
I checked on Survey Basket and phoned the owner. The site is still new but it seems like this guy is serious to crate a real functional survey web site. He did however mention that the aim will be to do quality surveys and not to create a get rich quick scheme. So if you think you gonna make a living from completing surveys at SurveyBasket it will not work for you.
The owner is not fly by night, he has lots of experience in online marketing and is currently the marketing manager of a big well known firm.
So for the scam question I would say that it is legit but do not expect to make a fortune from it quickly.
Very interesting Pieter, nice to know that it’s not a scam! I guess time will only tell hey?
I think the most important thing to remember with online marketing and working from home in this niche is that it takes a long time to build a foundation, you need to plan carefully, you need to set up goals and tasks, and you need to realise that you might only see good results in a couple years time, when your “lists” have built up.
Nobody becomes an Internet millionaire quickly! :)
Thanks guys ….
The picture seems to be much clearer!
Hi
What is this “iamwired” web page that I land on if I click on certain links? I know it is off the topic of this blog, but can somebody help me to get rid of it. It is very anoying.
Thanks
@Janpn – You are right, it is off topic and I need to be careful about things moving away from the topic at hand. It sounds like either a browser addon is messing around, or perhaps a piece of malware or virus, run a good virus scan across your machine and test things out in another browser to see if it happens there.
Hi Lianie
I am searching for a home based job. Please tell me more about Amway and what kind of work you are doing for them. I have been searching for months on end with no luck.
Thanks
sorry to hear all of this ,i reely needed to mTHANKS.ake money on line (DATAWORX )
Hallo to everybody here… i must be lucky because there is a few opportunities that i got paid from… and to DanieV hope you joined giveforlife because it really works…
Vox also works but it’s a hands on project, Bemotivatedtoday works but slowly for me at least, Direct Advantage is going to be huge and still kind of in a prelaunch
Hi its true what you say,as I am one of those people who signed up for work from home packages and actually paid for the info now I’m stuck with it as I have’nt a clue how to use this info as I am a computer newbie and therefore dumb as old hell when it comes to search engines,blog ,widgets ect….help!!!
@Yvette,
I have been working with Amway for almost 2 years and I can safely say that it does work. You do need patience though, which many people lack when it comes to MLM’s or Work-from-Home businesses. For e.g in my first 3 months of joining my bonus cheque was only averaging about R90. Many people drop out in these initial months because that don’t see the big results they want.
Also, what I have noticed, it is very important who you join with because, as with any business, you need to have a good “mentorship” program.
Your earnings will be in proportion to how much work you put in. it’s not a case of joining and then thinking the money will roll in passively.
Hope that helps.
Dankie vir die waarskuwing. Dit is insiggewind,daar is baie mense wat jou opinie steun, as ‘n mens slim genoeg is, pasop vir die groot hond wat die kleintjies byt.
I have read your comments about Hbiz and Dataworx, but only after I joined them. I send them emails regarding their scam and they offered my money back, but still I thought I will rather see if it works or not for myself, as I do have 6 months to get a refund. I have been doing this since January 2010 and must say that I am glad I carried on as I already made my money back on the package and more. Don’t get me wrong I do spent alot of hours infront of my PC and I am not making thousands but each month I can see that my commission is growing.
I think it is purely because I didn’t want to give up and also you have to spent at least 6-8 hours infront of your PC a day. It also takes a long time to get your ads posted on all the free classified sites.
But thanks for people like you who cares about us and our money that we spent on scams.
Hi can anyone give me a legit from home work that I can do that does not require someone to have a iq of a genius but of a everyday normal person?Help really needed on this one please as I don’t have money to lay out to buy the neccessary info to start a business.
Chris- Before you tell people that they can make money on line, and before they have to read all the stories, just tell them how much you are going to rip them off for and then let them know that as soon as there cheque,money order or Pay pal account clears that their name, e-mail account and so called web site you promise to set up for them will suddenly vanish like their money. You say you want to be honest, then tell them that this is how to make money at home on line- “promise everything” and “deliver nothing” but money from their account.And belive me I have seen the same people you show to say good things about your so called 100% solution on other sites-very easy to copy and paste.PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
Ay Sammy that is quite a post. You seem to be aggravated by the fact that you fail to make money online…and you have bought someones product that didnt deliver as promised? Well, if you want to make money online, you have to sell something at least. A service, a product…whatever. If you cant create something to sell that is in demand, then you will not make money online. simple. now go do your homework and stop shouting at people trying to help you.
Hi Sammy, seems like you are one of those people who get totally confused with this web site thing. If there is information about a certain company on a web site it does not mean that the web site which contains the info is the owner of the product which you refer to. Look at it in the same way as a newspaper, if the Sunday Crimes contains an ad about XYZ company and XYZ company stole your money you are not going to accuse the Sunday Crimes to be part of the scam, are you?
Do your homework first and then come back here and apologize to the owner of the site.
Sammy1234 – Excuse me? In what regard am I ripping people off exactly? I have not charged a single cent, this is an open forum for discussion. Now, please go elsewhere, you’re not welcome on this site until you’ve done your home work.
The 8 Key Differences between Super affiliates and struggling affiliates…
http://www.clickbank.com/blog/2010/03/24/8-key-differences-between-super-affiliates-and-struggling-affiliates/
Well said Chris.
Sammy probably broke his keyboard with all that pc-rage.
well PayPal is officially in SA!! woop woop the FNB service is up and running…
go check out fnb.co.za
this is a breakthrough for online entrepreneurs in SA!
C.Hurrell – indeed they are, however there’s a lot of confusion going around, so on Tuesday I’ve got a meeting at FNB’s Premiere Suite, I’m going to try get some things cleared up for everyone if they don’t mind answering that is :)
wow, what a great blog!
I was going to go and deposit money to hbiz – dataworx on tuesday to get their ‘work from home’ pack.
But after reading this I have changed my mind.
thank you so much
Hi Chris M, I just stumbled accross this site this evening when wanting to check ou Dataworx/Hbiz. I unfortunately deposited my R355 in their bank account today already and faxed everything off to them, and then only decided to check them out – find it quite disturbing to read that they appear to be a scam. What is worrying though is that there have been complaints about them since as far back at 2007!!! Why have they not been shut down??? Complaints appear to have been lodged against them with the DTI and yet they continue in business. Something somewhere does not sound right. How many unknowing people have been scammed by them over the years?? I read Karien’s letter above, and I will most probably also have to give them a go and see where everything leads. Has any else made money out of this so called home business. Thanks. Wendy.
Hi Wendy, I was very disappointed when I read the comments on this site and immediately contacted Homebiz. Leon at homebiz offerred to give my money back but also advised that I spend at least 4 hours a day posting the ads on the various sites. I thought I’ll give it a try as I do have 6 months to get my money refunded.
You are NOT going to make $100 or more a day, trust me on that, but if you sell a decent product you can make at least $30 – $50 per sale. The competition is very tough and you will have to put in effort to make some money. I am currently making about R1000 – R1500 per month, and that is after 6 months of spending time on the computer, trying to get my ads out there.
I must say so far Homebiz had no problems paying my money every 2nd week, and I am receiving regular emails confirming which sales was paid, and which ones not.
Give it a try, you’ve got at least 6 months to see if it is going to work for you. I at least made the money back I’ve spend getting my information package, and something extra.
GOOD LUCK
Karien
Hi Karien
Thank you for your response to my questions regarding Dataworx/hbiz. As I have registered with them and paid, I have also decided that I might as well give it my best shot for a couple of month’s at least. I do feel more at ease to read that Dataworx/hbiz regularly pay over your money every 2nd week.
Will keep u updated through this blog as to my progress and thanks for the encouragement.
Thanks very much. Wendy.
Hi there Karien,
Thanks so much for your response. Seeing that I have registered and paid with Dataworx/hbiz, I have also decided to give it my best shot for a few month’s at least and see how it goes. Through this blog, will keep u updated as to my progress.
Thank you for the encouragement.
Kind regards, Wendy
Karien which one of the 4 divisions in Homebiz have you joined. I’m just wondering which one is really the best?
Dear Lianie,
I joined the Dataworx, and this is the only one I can comment on. This is devided into two options, either online or offline. Both you need to place ads, and you then earn commission. With the offline option, you have to pay for the ads placed in local newspapers, but you have a better chance of making money.
The Online option, you use the free classified site to place you ads, but there is alot of competition and you really have to spend at least 5 hours or more online placing ads a day. You will also see that there is such alot of free classified sites and some of them you have to place your ad in each country to get it out there. This do take some time, but on most if you ad is out there, it is out there.
As I said, you are not going to get rich doing this, but you can make some money doing this. So if you are interested in doing this do not fire your boss as yet.
I hope that this helps you in some way.
Regards
Karien
Hey! Do yo know about the homebiz group?
They offer data jobs at home.
Hi Chris
I posted on your blog about two months ago asking for some information on traffic synergy because it seemed a bit sketchy at the time. Like most users have said: “it takes time”!! I have been registered with them for a while now and suddenly things have turned around completely, gone from one extreme to the next! I have made myself about 2k last month by putting in the time and filling out surveys! If you would like to try it out check out the link: http://www.surveybasket.co.za/
Clint, congrats man. Bt I am still a bit sceptical. Does surveybasket they cash or rewards?
Hi Clint,
Did you get paid?
I also got paid with SurveyBasket, Received three payment so far. They pay with cash in your account.
I have received a Work at home offer from a company called eData Group. Does any one know anything about it? Does anyone know whether its authentic or not?
eData Group has the same owner as hbiz.co.za, I am sure you have read enough about hbiz on this site already, if not read all the posts on this page.
Hi there I also would like to know more about the eData group. Anyone signed up and burned their fingers yet?
Is it a scam or did the owner move to something real that is offering work?
They say money for training and access to links to do real work?
Companies listed are some big and real companies, are they legit, or not?
Hi All
Found your blog very interesting and spent lot of time reading through it.
Went to hbiz site now and saw in their products link to edatagroup for data entry.
Should I be afraid? Well I signed up, but did not pay a cent to them, did some research first and got to your blog.
Keep it up, great job guys.
Hi
I see hbiz advertises adsense aswell so why is all not bad?
They have a dataworx aswell? Is this the scam or is edata group the scam?
Waiting for your input?
wow. it took about three hours for me read this through. 3 and a half hours ago i paid R200 to Hbiz…. suppose its my fault for not researching further beforehand.
Awesome blog, keep it going.
Kerryn. Xx
Hi guys !
I’ve read threw most of your comments, but now I’m confused. I was planning to join ‘Dataworx – hbiz’ tomorrow. Some of you made money and some of you complains about this Group.
I’m not scared of work and putting in effort, but I don’t have the time to sit 6-8 hours, a day, in front of my PC, and definately not for R1500 a month. So, my question is to those of you ‘who makes money’ – HOW MUCH $ FOR HOW MUCH INPUT ?? and to those of you ‘who lost money’ – HOW MUCH ? ? ?
Has someone started with the ‘hbiz-manual’ option? If so what is the pro’s and con’s?
Thank you all and I’m looking forward to your input.
Best regards
Dear Stefan,
I have been doing dataworx since January 2010, and spend at least 6-8 hours infront of my PC a day. They main “job” is to promote various products and earn commission on each sale. If you don’t have the time to sit infront of your PC you will not make money at all and it will definately not be worth your while. YOu only get paid commission, and the more ads you place the better your changes of making sales.
Trust me it takes a very long time to get your ads out there as there is hundreds of products and hundreds of classified sites. Sometimes I spent the whole day just promoting one product. I only make about R 1500 a month now, and hopefully it will increase with time, but it takes effort. The work is not hard but time consuming.
Best of luck with the choice you make.
Karien, if you have to place ads advertising products as an affiliate why do you need hbiz or dataworx then? Anybody can do it without them.. There are millions of products available which you can promote as an affiliate. You can use clickbank, trafficsynergy, offerforge, etc.
The way i see it these guys let you advertise the goods but you use their affiliate link. When a product sells you get your commission. Nothing wrong with that at all. But where they are clever is with the 90% of people who give it up after the first 3 days. They placed a couple of links, give up hope, leave the party but their links remain. So because they are not there anymore hbiz/dataworx collect the commission for the next couple of years.
My question from the beginning was, why do you need them and why do you have to place their affiliate code if anybody can do it on their own?
Hi Karien, maybe it would be worth your while to give Gift For Life a try, a lot of people do it online although i like to do this particular opportunity online and offline… just thought that you could make a killing if you understand the concept and with the amount of time you put into your work.
2 your success
Phillip
First for Pieter, As fas as I know you only use the Hbiz paypal email and create your own affiliate links. Now that can change as we are able to open paypal accounts in South Afica, but I fully understand what you mean and I thought about that before. The vendors might aswell send me checks.
Then Phillip, could you provide me with the web details for Gift for life. I will have a look at it. The only problem is that I do have a lot of time I can spend working, but not the money. Hbiz is also offering offline dataworx, but that is going to cost me alot as I have to place ads in newspapers and it must be paid ads. I am currently unemployed and would just like to make a living, but if I can make a killing it would be great.
Regards
Karien
Karien, it is Give For Life and their site is http://www.giveforlife.co.za/ but it is also gonna cost you money. Pop me an email perhaps I can help you.
Hi All if hbiz, dataworx does not work as well, but does work, do you think edatagroup is worth a try?
They are mentioned as a product with a link to their site.
But does not appear on the hbiz logon site for products. dataworx however do.
Do you think it is worth a try?
@ACMeerkat You will nether know unless you try. That is how we know what works and what not, we go out, stick our head in and try it. If it works we laugh all the way to the bank, if not we go on to the next thing. But keep in mind that if they require you to post affiliate links on free ad sites, you can do that on your own without having to pay somebody for it.
I see there is a couple of guys on my freeonlineads web site who does that, they just place affiliate ads with their own links.
Hi Karien
Looks like chris is not allowing me to get in contact with you… wonder why?
Wel then here is the you tube link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02j-1jeIY-c
Hi @Phillip – It’s not about not connecting you, it’s about affiliate links, that’s all.
For anyone who’s interested, Give For Life’s website is http://www.giveforlife.co.za/ – I have NOT explored this, so I’m merely sharing it for interest sake..
I don’t get the Give4Life. In the promo vid he says there’s no upfront fee, but 2 minutes before that it says activation fee of R150 and minimum monthly contribution of R189. And how much control do you have over the money being given to charities? Can u choose your charity? Not sure if I missed that somewhere. Why do ppl make a big deal about the products? What’s wrong with getting something tangible for your money? Anyway, just my thoughts on the promotional video.
Hi Rory i also asked them about this when i joined, when you send an sms (cost R30 once off) to join you will be able to refer people etc, but i agree i also think he should have said start up without a large upfront fee… the money is being split up equally for 9 big charities,
Which Charity’s will I be supporting?
1.SPCA
2.Reach for a Dream: Children facing life-threatening illnesses are encouraged to dream their greatest dreams, which the Foundation goes to incredible lengths to make come true.
3.The Living Water Unit works with government, civil society and the private sector to ensure that healthy aquatic ecosystems underpin the sustainable development of South Africa and enhance the quality of life of all its citizens.
4.Cansa: South Africa has over 60 000 newly diagnosed cancer patients each year and on in four South Africans may be affected by cancer in his or her lifetime.
5.CHOC Childhood Cancer Foundation is a country-wide voluntary organization, the biggest of its kind in South Africa that brings together children who suffer from cancer and life-threatening blood disorders.
6.The South African Red Cross Society’s mission is to identify, prevent and alleviate human suffering, including the suffering of children, and to foster human dignity in all communities.
7.The African Children’s Feeding Scheme
8.Ithemba Trust: Aid intellectually disabled children to experience the joys and satisfaction of achieving their full potential at structured facilities within their own communities.
9.Cotlands is a long-serving South African “non-profit” organization that exists to alleviate the suffering of children in distress and have been doing this for 7 decades. As society has evolved and new horrors confront children, Cotlands has adapted its services to the needs of the community and focuses particularly on children and communities impacted by AIDS.
after sms is send and you decide to go through with complete registration, you must complete the registration by following the details from the confirmation sms that they have send to you (once off R120) that means that it will cost you R150 once off to register and setup your connection to GFL, The R189 (bronze package) is a monthly debit order but the nice part is that the commissions are so high especially on level one that you would only need 3 people (mlm) and you will not have an expense anymore everything after that is profit for you and all 9 charities. if you decide that you want to give a % of the profit’s you make to a specific listed charity you will be able to do so. i think they are trying to implement that this is a service and that no product is involved. Hope i covered everything.
Thank you for giving your thoughts on this… it’s much appreciated. the link to the video so everybody knows what we are talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02j-1jeIY-c
@Karien – Would you like Phillip’s personal email address? I’m not happy with just proving his personal links as he is using affiliate links to get you under his affiliate chain, which is obviously not a problem, but the motivation might not be completely sincere..
Thanks Phillip, good to know the details.
This sounds exactly like ‘U-Care’ which tried to get off the ground a few years ago. Exact same thing, multi-level networking, donating to charities, splitting the money etc. Is this in any way related to them?
Apparently that failed because in South Africa a multi-networking business had to have some type of product changing hands. So has the law changed in that regard? Or was that something just made up by rival networkers?
I have just re-read this thread and am amazed by the responses. Wow Chris, you certainly know how to get things going!
I started working from home back in 2002 part-time because my job didn’t pay me enough to support the lifestyle I wanted. I’ve been working “full-time” at home since 2006 – and I’m sorry, but no amount of work is worth R1500/month.
A small online business (about 2-3 hours work per week) should generate at least R5000/month – that’s how I evaluate things. If it doesn’t I toss the idea.
I currently have 9 online businesses – I love the freedom it provides – and have now hired 5 staff to manage the day-to-day running of it!
T
Interesting take, Tony.
Approximately how long would you say, did it take you to initially setup your online system to do so well? Was there a period where you were putting in long hours for not much financial reward?
Hi Rory
here is the link for u-care although i am not associated with them, and they are still going, there may not be a product but a valid service is also allowed just like with bemotivatedtoday, no actual product but a service (daily motivation). http://www.u-care.co.za/
Hi Rory
Interesting Question. I think I avoided that bit by finding and following successful mentors. And I’m not talking about the people who sell these courses on the net. I hunted down a few online magnates and then took them out to lunch. I asked Questions and tried to find someone who would mentor me.
My first online business that I started in 2002 still runs and brings in about R30 000/month in which I work about 2 hours a week.
The secret is getting the right info. If someone is selling you a product/service/MLM ask him how he is doing? You can’t lead someone to a place you’ve never been yourself.
I still work long hours occasionally, but that’s usually because it’s a specific product or service that I’m passionate about.
@Rory – GiveForLife is an exact copy of U-Care. They even have the same letter from the Law Review Project. They took out some of the obstacles U-Care had but otherwise they copied it too the book.
U-Care have not failed yet, apparently there are some new developments there which eventually includes a better online presence.
@Tony – It’s become a fantastic place for information, the hardest thing is managing it and removing people’s affiliate links. I agree with you about an online venture not making R5,000.00 a month, especially after about 6 months of production. Thanks for keeping this place updated!
“there may not be a product but a valid service is also allowed just like with bemotivatedtoday”
I beg to differ, BMT send out a daily motivational email and I see the email as a product. If an email is not a product then an eBook is also not a product. So BMT renders a service which sends you a daily product.
Hi, can someone please tell me if the eData Group work-from-home is a scam? I am extremely wary of these “job opportunities” and am really just looking for an honest work from job while I am finishing off my studies.
@ Chris. I’m a newbie in internet marketing. Bought ProfitLance a few months ago, but the information overload is confusing and I will have to do it over and over until I can understand this complex world of internet marketing. In the meantime I’m stretching my budget. Can you tell me what is the easiest and cheapest way to make a few Rand on the internet while I’m trying to get a good understanding of the PL information?
@janpn – My honest advice would be to slowly read through all the comments on this page; I say slowly so as to avoid the information overload and because there’s a great deal of excellent information here, which would provide you the direction to go in. At the end of the day, there isn’t a easiest and cheapest route, much like most things in life..
@Chris.Thanks I’ve gone through this site slowley and thoroughly but can’t find the answers.
As mentioned, there isn’t a quick and easy solution to making money online, you have to read deeply into all the information here and decide for yourself what works..
Nobody will be able to put the answer on your lap..
Wow! What a thread! I have been doing research about I-net businesses for about 14 months, and stumbled on this thread a 2 days ago. Amazing!
All the stuff I have been researching on and a lot more in one thread!
Well I suppose because it has been running for two years, hey? Though, I’m sure it would still have been as informative a year ago…
Great blog Chris M!
In over a year i have not spent any money on the BS products out there, as they all seem to good to be true, but now I have the info I need to actually start a business, without losing money. (Realistically)
Thanks to everyone that shared info here, it is great to see South Africans looking out for each other!
And thanks Chris for the platform you provided!
HI CHRIS, THANKS FOR EVERYTHING I’M UNEMPLOYED AT THE MOMENT AND LOOKING FOR WORK ICAN DO FROM HOME,BUT I DON’T KNOW WHICH WEBSITES TO TRUST,BECAUSE I’VE BEEN SCAMED SO MANY
TIMES I LOST A LOT OF MONEY TRIYNG TO FIND WORK.IN MY DESPERATION I’VE SEND MONEY BUT NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING OR FIND THEM I’M TRULY GREATFULL FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU THANKS AGAIN!
Dear Chris
i was in one of those scams thats called work from home. data entry clerks needed. ooo i hate scams i had to pay R150 and R320 for more info. how stupid i can be. can you please e-mail me with the links to true sites of work from home that’s not scams. thank you for helping us in this.
jeandre
@Jeandre – I would suggest reading the comments on this thread as there’s a huge amount of useful and interesting information available..
Hi Chris
Thank you so much for this thread. I’ve signed up for a ‘work from home’ business not too long ago. I had to pay R217 for the information CD. And guess what – its HERBALIFE!!! Now they want me to pay a further R950 for the starter pack. I’m so glad that I read all of the above postings first. You have just saved me R950, because I hate selling stuff and would not have succeeded in that business.
Regards
Paula
I hope they offered you a money back guarantee??
@Paula – Incredibly annoying! At least it’s only R217 lost. Like Pieter asked, did they offer a refund?
@Rory – GiveForLife is an exact copy of U-Care. They even have the same letter from the Law Review Project. They took out some of the obstacles U-Care had but otherwise they copied it too the book.
U-Care have not failed yet, apparently there are some new developments there which eventually includes a better online presence.
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Hi Pieter
after you send this i made a point of getting more detail and a dvd about u-care… yes you are correct it’s basically the same but i have to disagree about a better web presence… and u-care only offer one package where give for life has 4 packages… and give for life’s commissions are a lot higher than that of u-care… i also like to do my homework, so i ask of anybody who is searching for an opportunity to do the same, this is only my opinion but get the dvd’s visit the websites and decide for yourself…
you can also add me to your skype, search for me as go6148
2 your success
phillip gendall
Hi Pieter and Chris
Yes, fortunately they did offer a refund.
thanks
Paula
I’m impressed!
All, got scammed and still struggling. This was something no-one could miss and thought to give it a try. Paid for two options R430 and as always promised the info will be send. At the end of the day based on them “we’ve send you the wrong information, we will send in an hour” and I’m waiting now for that hour almost two weeks. If you phone them they pick up, you say hallo, they say hallo hallo hallo and put the phone down. Guys and Ladies, stay away from this website or any opertunities they provide – “http://allnewdataentry.webs.com – . Even the address they provide on thsi website is of some other company. As GOD tell us, forgive those whatever they do wrong and you will be forgiven.
Jannie, it is a pitty that you lost money. I would never pay somebody who uses a “free web” service. Look at the domain names, if it ends with webs.com, yola.com, weebly.com or whatever other free web services it means that the person you are buying from does not even have money to setup a proper web site. If he host his web site on a free web site that should be the first warning signal not to pay him money.
Pieter, thanks for this and will help in the future. We always miss these type of things. But their is always a light in the tunnel and believe and trust that something will come your way. We did came across some “virtual” work-from-home businesses and busy with one, till the finances will pick-up and taggle the next one.
Good for you Jannie. Remember, you will nether know unless you try! If you do not try different ways of making money online you will nether know which ones will work for you and which ones not. We are not all the same, what works for the one does not work for the next, so there is NO gold recipe which all can follow and make a success, you have to take a little bit of info from each guy and create your own success recipe
Pieter,absolutely. As the bible say in Matthew 6:31-34 “Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we
eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will
we wear?’ That’s what those people who
don’t know God are always thinking about.
Don’t worry, because your Father in heaven
knows that you need all these things. What
you should want most is God’s kingdom and
doing what he wants you to do. Then he will
give you all these other things you need. So
don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has
enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will
have its own worries.
Hi Pieter
I’ve been reading this thread from the beginning and been commenting bits and pieces, but your last comment, I’m afraid, requires a little response.
Firstly, I do not believe that taking bits and pieces from everyone creates success. It’s like trying to bake a chocolate cake by taking one ingredient from 10 different recipes – you only end up with a mess.
Since 2005 I have shown over 1200 people the recipe I use for success. Those who do what I do will succeed, those who take the bits and mix it with others tend to mess it up.
Something else which has really bugged me about this entire thread: What do we define as success? Everyone has different ideas of that. Many of these smaller programmes tell me that I can earn R5000 a month! Heck – that won’t even pay for my car!
For me success is a combination of Freeing up my time and earning a good return on the hours I put in.
Hi Guys. A question to Pieter and Chris.
I have just started building websites for adsense and I am no pro by far but I do it mainly as a hobby. My problem is linkbuilding. My question is, posting in this forum with your web adress, is that a good source of linkbuildings and do u guys have any other tipd you can share please.
@Tony @Pieter
I definitely think the topic of success is a tricky one, but for me, I created the thread as a place where people could learn to make some money online and by “some”, I was really thinking R2000-R5000 per month as that’s already a good amount for someone who isn’t totally clued up about online marketing, web design and programming. Naturally, increasing this amount is the aim, but the post was not called “Make a fortune online” or anything to that nature :)
The definition of success is different to everyone, the guy living in a shack would be happy to earn R1,000 per month extra which might be R500 more than his current earning, the mother of 4 would love to earn enough to keep her children at a proper school and me and you would be happy with R100k per month.
Regarding the bits and pieces, if we look at Property Investment as an example, the one guru said the only way is to buy rental properties and keep on refinancing it so you nether really make a profit from your rent but you live off the refinance money. Some people followed his recipe by heart and are in deep trouble today because they nether thought that the market will slow down. If they instead used a little bit of his advice, combined it with somebody who said you must buy and sell and combined that with the next guy who said you must only buy cash flow positive properties they could have been better off.
Tony, you say you helped many people, but where did your recipe come from? Did you just took it over 100% from somebody else or did you develop it over the years yourself from experience? If you developed it over the years, did it just fell into place at once or did you take a little bit of advice and ideas from many people and developed your own success recipe?
Also been following this thread from the beginning and it has been a fantastic source of information and entertainment.
HOWEVER I have to interject on Tony’s comments – You pay more than R5000 a month for a car and you are berating other people for how they define success?
In your marketing material you say you generated R250k in 4 weeks on a project… So why are you paying off a car?
Just an observation
I would never pay somebody who uses a “free web” service. Look at the domain names, it means that the person you are buying from does not even have money to setup a proper web site. If he host his web site on a free web site that should be the first warning signal not to pay him money.
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So in other words: if somebody starts advertising bemotivatedtoday on a free website it’s probably a scam …..mmmm i don’t think so, unfortunately i cant agree 100% with you…. i make use of some free websites and i have websites that i pay for… the thing is you will probably never know if you are going to get scammed or not, because the competition is so hard even with searching on blogs like this someone will say this is a scam because it did not work for them and another person will say but i got paid… so what now? i think if you are not going to take a chance you are not going to know anyways… so just pray and ask Jesus to let the right opportunity come to you, who knows maybe He wants to point you into a totally different direction!
Thanks for the feedback.
I acknowledge that for each person Success is something completely different. I call it my Magic Number – at what point do we define you’ve reached it? For me – Time is far more valuable than cash in the bank, so I am always looking for methods to free up time.
@Pieter – you’re right, I certainly have studied methods from various people – but then I picked ONE person’s method and followed it to the letter. I now teach that same method (with my mentor’s permission) to everyone. I still believe that choosing various ingredients don’t make a chocolate cake. Yes, do your homework – decide your Magic Number and decide which method to go with – and get a mentor – it was my best move yet!
@Marc – thanks for pointing out that I made R250000 in 4 weeks. It’s a lot of fun working on projects like that. And while it’s not a consistent number, it comes around regularly. I am now working on creating a more stable/smooth income. When you’re 20-something you don’t mind the income jumping sporadically.
So, if that’s the case – why am I paying off my car? Excellent Question. I am a student of people like Robert Kiyosaki who teaches that you should always use your CASH to buy assets. In his definition as Asset is something that puts money INTO your pocket. A car is then a liability. What I have done is use cash to buy an asset and then allow the proceeds of the asset to pay off the car.
After 5 years I have a paid off (very depreciated) car but I also still have an asset that is pumping cashflow INTO my life. I would therefore never use the cash I create to pay off the car, but rather to create more assets. I hope that makes sense.
T
@Johnathan – Link building is a whole new subject, dropping links and so forth on blogs and forums is actually frowned apon and an easy way to be banned from a site, so please be careful about that. Link building is a slow process which involves a lot of emailing to other website admins asking for link exchanges. Another way is writing quality articles and getting other people to publish them (including a link in your article). Yet another way is guest blogging on someone elses website, like the various authors do on my website. Spending some time on Google researching will show you a number of different methods :)
@Marc – Perhaps not required, but felt I would mention it – I know Tony in real life, I’ve worked closely with him before, so just in case there’s any doubt in anyone’s mind, Tony is legit :)
@Tony @Chris – I don’t judge I just observe …. The comment was passed that R5000 wouldn’t pay for his car – I pointed out what I perceived as a flaw in the logic.
Big fan of anybody with even an inch of an entrepreneurial bone in them. Heck Lolly Jackson was my hero…
@Tony, I agree with what you say and as with the definition for success we all have different ways of doing things. I see in your comments above you told Marc “I am now working on creating a more stable/smooth income.”
Will you be doing that following your main guru’s concept which you 100% copy or will you be implementing bits and pieces from another guru?
Gud day guys!
I am glad I chose to read through your comments.
What I would like to know is what type of ads do we have to advertise as I am a Christian. Would it be something that might be embaressing?
Should I really give it a try?
Thank you.
Elishua
For sure Marc, my comment was more aimed at others who aren’t in the know :)
@Pieter Nope, I’ll still be following my mentor’s system.
@Elishua My motto in life: Do whatever it takes to win, as long as it’s ethical, moral and legal!
@Tony, How about sharing some of your wisdom, pleaaasssee!?? I’ve been strugling to find the right ‘work from home job’ that is not a scam and does not require a lot of money up-front.
Hi Chris,
Great info, I am looking for work from home income and came across your site. has really made me look at deals more closely.I have just been browzing a site http://www.sda-cash.webs.com they have a few oppourtunities to make money from home listed on it, amongst others the affiliate marketing you mention. the opportunities on it look very legit and aimed for the South african market. I am very tempted, as I urgently need to do something from home.
will definately be returning here in future for info updates!!
@elaine – That website is run by an affiliate, tons and tons of affiliate links all over the place. When I see that sort of thing I’m immediately put off because it’s in the owners best interests to try and upsell you..
Elaine, that web site does not look very good to me, I would rather suggest you have a look at the e-book at http://www.passive-income.co.za . I found it very informative and it explains the different options in detail. If you read that book you will know what different ways there are to make money and which one will suit you.
Hi Chris
Why do you always give affiliate marketers such a bad reference, yes they are in it for the money,i recon any business is, that’s why they started, just like the next person that is searching for an opportunity…
@Paula – I’m not really one to market myself or my products on other people’s blogs, if you pop over to my blog you can check out what I do there.
@Phillip – I have to agree with Chris. Someone who sets up one of these “flea-market” sites and then covers them with affiliate banner adverts has no idea how to make money online.
My 2c
@Phillip – For someone like you, it’s different, because you’ve been here and you’ve chatted to us, but for random sites out there, many of them offer false information just in order to get people to sign up under them. My comment was not to be taken as a gross generalisation.
@Elaine, Have a look at http://www.womenatwork.co.za
Joan Masterson started a service where she pays people per hour to type transcriptions. We all frown upon “Home Typing” services but Joan’s is different, to start off with she does not ask you money to join and secondly Joan as been on the net for ages and we know her as one of the good guys.
Ye, Joan has put a lot of effort into her ventures!
Hi All
just thought I would chip my 2c worth in. I have been reading all the comments and saw the one Elaine posted earlier today. I had a look at the site and noticed that on of the items in the site is the Superslim option. I would like to mention (if you guys are looking for success stories) I joined Superslim about 3 months ago. No joining fees but had to purchase about R2000 worth of startup stock. I only advertise on free internet classified sites and handle all queries by Email (partime, I am still full time employed) so I have no further expences. I currently have a very health turnover and I currently make a clean profit of in excess of R10 000 per month. all from the comfort of my home afterhours. so for me there are some options out there that do work
I was wondering if anybody tried the Pay to read emails systems that is now available on the net? If anyone did could you please tell me if this is working or not? There is quite alot of them, but I noticed that they only pay you once you accumulated $50 000 or more. Please help
@Wilka – read emails is not “now available”, it is one of the first money making ventures about ten years ago, if not longer. I tried that many moons ago and it did not work because they send you all kinds of crap, you have to click a link, get paid a cent or two for each click and they only pay you once your account reach $100. By that time the company or web site closed down and you nether see your money. One of the biggest problem is that you can buy the “get paid to read” or “get paid to click” web site scripts on the Internet for next to nothing. So even your grade 8 child can start a site like that.
hi chris
i have come across the world of paid surveys website and was on the verge of registering, however i have seen your link. just want to get your take on the company, do you think it is legit. really looking for something that i could earn extra cash.
please email me asap.
thank you and takecare
Morning Chris
Found this on the Junkmail website and out of curiosity thought I would have a look. Has anyone heard of homebusinessza.com? I’ve scanned all the comments here, but don’t seem to find any mention of it.
@Jackie – It’s Herbalife
hey Chris
thanks for the info and insight! i was going to deposit the 295 to hbiz on tuesday when i get paid, then i stumbled on to your blog. thanx guys. but tell me is it possible to get a legitimate online job that will pay? i ve got a job, but things are hectic, i m a single mom of 4. i really need the cash! any one with info on how to make money from home plz notify me.
@Caidee
I know what you mean, I’m a single mom too and things are hectic, you want to make the extra buck but now i feel like a little tadpole swimming among sharks and to be honest Chris, your blog has left me with mixed feelings, on the one hand i’m grateful that i know more about these online scams and on the other a bit frustrated coz now I’m not sure what else to do
@Caidee
I have an opportunity for you. I have checked it out and it all looks great! The nice part is it is 100% free so you have nothing to lose if things don’t work out. As with everything especially when it cost you nothing you will have to put some work in. Let me know if you are interested.
@ Eugene i m interested in any legit thing that wud help me get extra income..
@ Caidee
This opportunity went global since 1st May 2010 and it involves simple collecting and entering of data online. I live in Bloemfontein and if I can do it then anybody can! The thing that I like the most about this opportunity is that it is moral and ethical. The data is used by Amber Alert & Law Enforcement Agencies to help find missing children, locate stolen vehicles and known criminals. Click on my name above to go to the website.
Regards
Eugene Pelser
Hi Chris
I have being reading ur blog,not to find a job i can do at home,but to learn what blogging is all about. I really dont have a KOEKING KLU.how it works.So any help will be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Thys
@Thys – That’s a huge question, I’m sure you’re able to spend some time Googling “what is blogging”? If I start, it’ll take a year to write it, but here’s a definition for you:
A blog (a contraction of the term “web log”) is a type of website, usually maintained by an individual with regular entries of commentary, descriptions of events, or other material such as graphics or video. Entries are commonly displayed in reverse-chronological order.
Thux Chris
Iwill be knokkink on ur door from time to time if its ok with u..any other person is also welcome
Thux again
Thys
sorry guys spell check.HAPPENS WHEN I TRY TO MULTI TASK
Dont tell the ladies..but AICH A man is not wired for multi-tasking
Thys, ek is ook nie ‘n boffin as dit kom by blogs en websites nie, maar soos ek dit verstaan is ‘n blog soos om ‘n dagboek te hou Jy kan oor enigiets onder die son daarin skryf, van wat jy vir brekfis geeet het tot goeters waarvan jy hou. En ‘n website, aan die ander kant, is soos ‘n besigheid of ‘n biblioteek. Jy verkoop ‘n produk of jy lig mense in.
Am I right, Chris?
Hi almal
@Ina dankie vir die info.@ChrisM Kan ek Skype met my blog link
Yes @Ina – that’s one use for blogging indeed :)
Hi Thys, ek is aangeraai om Google se Blogger.com te gebruik vir ‘n blog. Gaan dit nou probeer en sien of ek regkom. Ek gaan ook ‘n rek. by Clickbank oopmaak. Blykbaar kan ‘n mens dan met jou blog geld deur Clickbank maak. Sal jou laat weet as ek dit reggekry het. Lekker avontuurlik om op my ouderdom die eeu van tegnologie te betree!
Hey Chris. lol i have been looking at this site and reading all the messages here.. i have been in a very serious accident recently.. at sitting at home healing my leg , so at the moment i cant work.there is one site i went to . survey basket.. just want to know if it is a legit site or scam.. hope you can help me.
Thanks Chris.
PS. its a very good thing u have here.. helping people out not to fall for scams.
Hi Werner
I’ve applied for a shift at survey basket, but didnt go through with it because of the pay which is R14 per hour for typing transcripts. You work in shifts of 7 hours and there are three types of jobs in the same line. For each to enter you must pay them R75. All sounds legit to me, all depends if you are willing to work for that pay lol. Good luck
Ina
Hi Werner,
I joined survey basket about 2 months ago. I only received 4 surveys to complete to date, but I promoted the site on the free classified sites. To my surprise I received an email from them to inform me that they made a payment to me. This all from people I referred to them. They also pay you the very same day that you reach you minimum payout amount, and not like other sites on a 30 day basis. You will probably not receive a lot of surveys, but if you promote the site you can make some extra money. They are legit according to me, but you will not get rich.
@ Karien- I have just updated my web page with a series of videos explaining the opportunity (Get Paid To Help Find Missing Children!) more in detail. Wow I didn’t think that it would take that long! Recording,cutting,editing and producing tutorial videos are quite a challenge but fun! I assume you like promoting websites/products check out Get Paid To Help Find Missing Children” it’s free! Just click on my name to check it out.
Howsit Chris. Thanks for your advice from this post as well as a few others on this blog. You have helped me greatly. I have started my own blog and as per your advice, I removed my google ads, waited 3 months.
It has been 3 months, my traffic has increased, now I have gone with Offerforge and Adgator ads, because my target audience is South Africans
I write regularly and will keep you updated regarding my revenue.
Thanks.
That’s great news Llewellyn, well done on taking my advice on removing the adverts for a while. AdGator isn’t performing at the moment though, I’ve not made a single cent this month and I think there’s something wrong with their system. You could try AD:Dynamo or Google Adsense (images only) which might help a bit. TrafficSynergy is another option, which is much like OfferForge, I’m sure you know about this though :)
Keep us posted!
I have been without work for two years and desperatly looking I sms’d The HomeBiz Group eData Survey estate DataWorX BusinessOnline@home they want me to send R295 via bank or postal I’ve read all the blogs but still can not decide what I should do I am desperate please help.
Desperate for work I tried The HomBiz Group (I’ve been looking for employment for two years now) They want me to deposit R295 into their account for some package, I have read all the Blogs concerning them but still do not know what to do, could someone out there please give advice – thanx
Hi Margaret
Those people are a rip-off. If you qualify, I can help you with something that you can do from home. Please email me at joan@womenatwork.co.za so I can send you more info. This is a legitimate job offer and is not something you have to pay for and if you can type and spell you are already halfway there.
Blessings
Joan
Hi Joan,
It would be fantastic to hear about any women who’ve come onboard with you from this thread and have been successful.. :)
Hi there
I have been for working for Joan for anout a month. As she says above it is a legitimate work from home job. She is very proffessional and I was paid real money, on time, no problems.
Emy
Hi there,
I have been working for Joan Masterson at woman@work since February 2010.I’ve been knocked by most of the scams mentioned on this Blog and I was more than surprised when Joan contacted me and when I saw my 1st pay check paid into my bank account. We do online transcriptions and get paid an hourly rate. It is not a get rich quick scam but a honest hard working you set your own hours kind of job. You work from the comfort of your home and your colleagues are with you on Skype. We have lots of fun because we are such a diverse group and before long you feel as if you are really in an office environment but without the office politics. I would highly recommend any one who is interested to contact her.
Saadieka:D
Wow. It take’s a good few hours to read these comments.
The transcription work that Joan Masterson is offering is genuine.
I’ve been working with Joan since January this year, and can honestly say that she is doing everything she can to help those who are willing to help themselves.
Joan has a great team working with her.
The money I earn is dependent on how many hours I put in, but most of all I’m contributing towards living expenses while working from home around my family. This suits me as I’ve been searching for years for this type of opportunity.
Thanks.
Hi everyone!
I find this blog very interesting and resourceful. Like so many of you, I’ve also tried numerous work from home “opportunities” only to find myself losing yet another sum of money.
I’ve heard about a new one where you are required to pay R100 to become an agent for Furthermore Inc. Do any of you know this and if it is a scam? If anyone does know if it’s a scam please let me know! I haven’t paid the money as of yet.
Thanks and keep up the great blog!
Hi guys.
Do any one knows something about Insider Secrets?
I guess if it is a secret nobody is supposed to tell you?
Hi Pieter
Maybe I should have sad Insider Confidential. I’m looking for an online job and land on their site.
Insider Secrets was a course developed by the late Cory Rudl. It is now owned and managed by the Internet Marketing Centre in Seattle.
$297 for over 1000 pages of nonsense (I know, because I bought it) – everything is very Americanese and they have no idea how to work with South Africans.
They also have a mentorship programme ($8000) for six months where they claim to guide you step by step in creating an online business. No results guaranteed. Basically they help you set up an eBay store. Of course, they cannot understand that shipping from SA to US is not overnight, that the shipping is usually more than the cost of the package. Nor do they understand that we have Exchange Control Regulations and have to actually report our International Earnings to the SARB.
OK, so what I’m basically saying … Insider Secrets works for Americans. It DOES NOT work for South Africans – which is exactly why I created the Jumpstart programme to help Saffers create meaningful online income. (Sorry for the spamvert, Chris).
Don’t spend the bucks, rather chat to me :-)
PS I actually make money online, so I’m not someone just spewing cr@p.
Jenni, if you are looking for an online job your are most likely to get burned. There are not really online jobs on the Internet. Some people promise that in their sales pitches but in fact they just want to sell you a package where they either show you how to sell the same package, or the “job” is where you have to place adverts to sell a product and earn commission on the product. Online jobs are very scares. Look somewhere in this looooong post we mentioned that Joan Masterson started a typing service, that is the closest to a real online ob you will come. Or do a google search for joan masterson, the first result should be hers.
hey chris, awesome stuff u r doing here for the people.I have the problem that i have been hunting for a legit online business for a month now and like many, I cant find anything i can invest it. If you can , or maybe someone in ur forum, just suggest a list of businesses that work that we can enquire on, it would be much appreciated.
hey tony… glad to know u r so successful. care 2 offer any help 2 an unemployed scammee???
hey chris i have an internet which i wnt to make use of,profit wise.so far i’ve looked & have failed.somebody suggest sumthing working.
thnx
Hi,
Have read some comments of people making money on sites. how about giving the URL of these sites.
Hi guys I received a letter from h.biz, wanting R250 for a starter pack is this ligit please help ?
Hi Junaid
h.biz is a rip off. Don’t waste your money like I did.
Anyone found any new systems on the Internet? The old ones all seem to be stagnant, I’m looking to see if there are any new services out and about or if the scene has become quiet..
Niekerk homebiz Productions (MA Niekerk
any news on this guy Marco
must papy R200 to get started
typing and updating databases from home
need internet
can earn R2000 a week
@celeste – We’ve heard over and over that homebiz is not a worthwhile investment..
Where can I find a legit home based business to get involved in. i have excellent pc skills and marketing skills.
Hi
I enroled in this program, is the dataworx a scam, or how does it work, I am with them for a month, you have to advertise there producs, I dont see a dime. nothing, I paid R310 for this, just because I cant find a real job, so I thought just give it a try, but what they say on the paper before bying, and what you should do after buying is not the same. You see they tell you on the form, you fill out forms on line, ok big deal just copy and paste, after paying when you log onto the website they tell you to advertise their product and others for other companies. I am so upset I wanted to If I Could, blow them up, for wasting my time and money for this BULL SH@T!!!!! How can you realy make money when you cant find a job, my cv is even posted on the internet!
I have also been looking for a job to do from home and stumbled onto the Herbalife business. I’ve joined the business about 2 months ago and already made a profit. I’ve also met many people making serious money with this business. It does work and can even make you rich if you put your mind to it.
Here is one “work from home” business that work and is not a scam.
samora
i was very happy to see this ad in our local newspaper thinking that i will make a lot of money with dataworx but now am standstill after reading commends from pp who lost their money in this scandal, dem strategies! pls Namibian pp wakeup not to add to yr poorest again. dont try it
Wow what a great way of getting info on this topic.Iv spent the most part of my morning looking for work from home and they all looked like scams to me..guess my best bet is to look into some of the ideas mentioned above…any help will be appreciated.
I found a Work from Home opportunity on Gumtree
The company offering the person to sell IT equipment from home
The Company is TMC Africa
Anybody herd of it and how legit is this opportunity
Hi Chris,
Great blog with lots of interesting angles on the topic. I came across this by accident. A friend sent me a work from home “opportunity” e-mail and I prefer to err on the side of caution so here I am. Unfortunately I’m a bit late for Thomas who posted on 5 March 2008 with regards to Quicksurvey. I would have had three words for the poor man. Scam, scam, scam… You pay for the list of companies that you get given but what the scammers fail to reveal is that the surveys are only open to people from certain countries. So yes, while it works for some, it most definitely does not work if you live in South Africa. Trust me, I looked into it and, with a little time invested on the internet it wasn’t difficult to find all the complaints from those who had been taken for a ride.
Now, here’s one that does work – I’ve been doing it for a couple of years now and it’s 100% legitimate and, bonus – it’s free to sign up. The company is called Global Test Market. They are, as their name suggests, global. So, for instance, you may have an American company that is thinking of launching in SA. You receive an e-mail and first have to answer a few question to ascertain if you are legible to take the survey. I.e. do you fall into their target market? If you do then you continue on to the survey. Their surveys work on a point system depending on how long it is. Once you reach a certain amount of points you can redeem them for cash which is paid directly into your bank account via EFT or you can leave them to accumulate and there is no expirey date.
Hope this helps others looking to supplement their income. PS – if you want to make millions then don’t bother signing up – it’s a modest second income.
Hi Chris,
I have been on the TrafficSynergy website and dont seem to find any real information on what and how I must do it in order to earn some cash on the adverts. What I mean is, do I need to have a website already? And if I do not have a website, where can I create one?
Can you maybe provide me with a link to some more detail information please?
Thanks
@George – Your assumption is correct, you need to have a website (or a mailing list) to take advantage of affiliate marketing that TrafficSynergy offers. You can use websites like yola.com or wordpress.com to create yourself a website – perhaps explore those, watch some tutorials and then focus on how the advertising side works, that would be my advice..
Think you’ll manage?
Hi.
Does anybody knows anything about My-Data-Team (with the hyphens)or Web Colleagues.com. Please be specific on positive or negative points.
Kind regads.
Jan
Hi Jan, I would not recommend them at all, after some simple Google searches it shows that a huge number of people complain about them..
What hould i say
Hi All
Have been doing webinars with Business Warriors (Pete Carruthers) How to set up your own Web Page and get your first clicks asap. You link onto the website given to you and register – no cost initially only when you are happy. Money Back Guarantee. Its like being in a classroom with your screen as the whiteboard. Use Headphones and tune in for one hour. Ask questions and get answered immediately. Incidently Peter a former SA lives in Norway and works with another Pete while on line to you. Awesome – check it out ***
@Cathy – The link you provided was incorrect, please would you send us the proper link? :)
Chris, sorry about that, having a weird day, used to be called Business Warriors, now Global Warriors. You can also subscribe, no cost to Pete’s Weekly.
hi chris,
i’ve been reading alot of comments and i would really like to try to work from home…i know a lit about the internet and am will to put some majior time into it…let me know what is working now and i’ll test them out…just recomment…thanks….
Is this for real? Does it work?
@Flower – there is information about SurveyBasket and BeMotivatedToday in this thread, please read the comments rather than pasting your affiliate links.
Thanks.
I was really looking for something to do on weekends to earn extra income…but looking in all the wrong directions. I’m not interested in affiliate / adsense (it obviously makes money, just not something that interests me). I am a qualified chef & after reading a previous post about recipes books I thought of teaching domestic workers cooking skills. I do have someone fluent in Zulu that would assist me. Any marketing ideas? I’m really excited about this – can’t believe I didn’t think of this before! Thanks so much, will keep you posted!
“obviously makes money, just not something that interests me”
What does not interest you, making money or adsense?
Hi Pieter,
I don’t know anything much about Adsense or affiliate programs. I have 15 years experience as a trained chef so cooking classes for me would come naturally as opposed to researching the above mentioned. I’m not denying that it can make a huge amount of money if done properly, just that I don’t have much interest in it. I need to do something that will generate a second income but also something that I enjoy doing.
I can recommend BidorBuy for online auctions. You obviously need to source good products @ great prices & have the time to devote to it. As a seller you are rated on your service…obviously the more efficient you are the more sales you will get (they also have an affiliate program).
Hi Chris
I found a Work from Home opportunity on Gumtree
The company offering the person to sell IT equipment from home
The Company is TMC Africa
Anybody herd of it and how legit is this opportunity
Hi all!
Let me begin by saying I joined the burnt fingers brigade almost a year ago. Looking for a way to augment my income, gullibly believing promises and losing money I couldn’t afford to lose. Thus, being rather peeved, I decided to create a web page giving REAL for free opportunities. I spent the best part of about three months checking things out, subscribing to sites FOR FREE, joining affiliate programs etc.
RUDE AWAKENING!!!! TANSTAAFL! There is NO such thing as a FREE lunch!
I searched “work from home” in the widest sense, not only “make money from the internet”. Lots of rather interesting opportunities, and lots of promising leads, all for free. I signed up for all of them as an affiliate. Now here’s the catch.
They are almost all outsourcing/freelance work sites. I thought – cool, I’ve been a freelancer all my life, so this is no different. Do the job, get paid the money and then pay your agent’s commission.
BOY was I wrong. I registered as a freelance writer on this site, bid for work I knew I could do with my eyes closed and got my bid accepted by the client who posted the job. Once again, COOOOOL!, I got the job! BUT, and there is always a but…
Having my BID accepted, gave the site the right to charge me a handling fee. Without me hearing anything from the employer or receiving ANY work, I still ended up OWING them $25.00, and the process of explaining not receiving work = no pay = no commission resulted in me being cancelled from the site – from THEIR side.
Ian, was the site FREELANCER.COM?
Freelancer.com it was. Still checking out all other possibilities and will post here if I find something worthwhile.
Hi.
Three Questions.
1. Your comments on PLR please. Can you make money with it?
2. Is it worth your effort use free advertising like safe-lists, trafficswarm etc? If so, which one will you recommend?
3. You guys say that you must use a professional to design your website. What about doing it yourself with Yola to save costs?
Kind regards.
@Jan – I can assist you with point 3.. The website is your conversion tool, it’s what’s going to lead to you making sales or getting enquiries.. would you build a car yourself to go on a long journey or what you leave that up to VW, Opel, Audi, etc? It’s the same thing, getting a professional to design a website that is aesthetically pleasing and lends itself towards correct web standards and great user journey will work far better than a self created site on a freebie platform like Yola, which has predefined templates and has that “cheap” feel to it, if you know what I mean. Obviously hiring a professional costs money and I totally understand that, but when it comes to business and making money, it’s important to invest in the most important parts.
That’s my opinion at least.
Hi
Can anybody help. I am looking for MLM (multi level marketing) software?
I do not intent to use this for MLM, however I am sure it will make things easier for a promotion which I want to run.
Thanx.
Hi there Chris
Great blog man, both useful and informative. Just touching on the point of setting up a website, to get it professionally done how much do u think it will set me back. Can it be done online or do need to find someone. I would like to make use of asdsense or traffic Synergy, are there steps i can follow ensuring that i don’t get lost along the way.( Books for example). This to the rest of the guys out there, what sorts of sites attract the most traffic. Please if anyone is willing to be a mentor, i am willing to learn. ”teassch me master preeeez”.
@fabian – It’s it a tricky one and what I would suggest is first deciding what sort of products you want to use. Saying TrafficSynergy is great, but which product specifically, because at the end of the day, the website will be determined by the products, just like you’d rent space to sell goods in an area where there’s a target audience..
From there it’s easier to point you in the right direction.
Howzit boet thanks for your prompt reponse. Perhaps i can aim to go for the health industry, people are always looking for ways to improve their appearance. Then i could also go for something along the technological field. This is a tricky one, i’m sure whatever i choose entirely depends on the effort i put into it. What do you think are these areas that would interest you.
Hi ChrisM
In my lewe het ek van baie scams gehoor. bv.
golden products en amway. My dames vriendin was juis deur AMWAY genader en ek het haar natuurlik afgeraai. Vir haar en al jou ander lesers se voordeel, plaas asb jou siening oor AMWAY.
Dankbaar
Thys Minnie
hi, i have recently looking for work from home and all i get is more sites. i think its a load of nonsense that these companies post work from home and they still want a fee for any subscription or registration fee. all those sites are a whole lot of bogus scams sites
Stumbled onto your blog – this is what I do when I get unwanted email – hope the link works – http://www.unwantedemail.net/2010/12/introducing-myself-gideon-basson-junk.html
Regards, Vernon Chalmers
hi..
ek is opsoek na ‘n 2de inkomste, ek het email en adsl by die huis.. het iemand dalk raad vir my? dankie!! en ‘n lekker naweek…
Hi @Ekke – Welkom :)
May you all achieve success in every facet of life and may all your heartfelt wishes come true. Wishing you a New Year of Happiness & Prosperity.
Happy New Year to everyone here. Thank you for all your contributions towards making the Net a safer place for wannabe work@homers!
Chris, BTW – I see you are friends with my daughter’s fiance on Facebook – Quinton van Zyl?
Yaouwzers!!! What a thread! it took me the better part of 3 hours to get through it!!
Well done it Chris!
I read someone asking about Furthermore Inc. I have looked into this and it doesn’t seem all that strange! They have products as well as services that you have to sell, and some sort of an administrative kind of jon that you can do, but you have a target that you have to meet every month, well they say that it is only R100 and there is also an amount that you have to pay to join in if I remember correctly,I have the e-mails somewhere just need to go and find them and then I’ll post another more info on that.
I haven’t joined because I have been a victim to some of these scams as well, but I will get the info and post it.
A far as Hbiz goes…people stay away!
I am looking into the online survey thing as well but I don’t think that is a viable option for S.A yet, or maybe I haven’t done enough research yet!
@Joan Masterson – I really like your idea for the transcribing, for the fact that your people actually posted on this blog!!! You don’t get alot of people working on the internet and willing to share their info and experiences.
Thanks to all the people posting on this blog! You have all made a drastic change in the way I see “internet jobs”
If I do find something worth the effort or cash I will let you know!
Cheers vir eers!
Just a warning for anyone who is looking for a home based job – many of the job listing sites are being inundated with posts of people advertising for people to do internet marketing and they cloak their words in many forms.
I have personally seen an ad where they say that they are recruiting home based marketers for Woolworths as well as for ABSA believe it or not!
Or they say they are a small company recruiting people to do internet marketing or to post free ads, some of them call it data entry work.
When you do reply, they want you to pay R177 for their “training material”. This is a scam guys! All they are going to get you to do is post the same ads as they are doing over and over again. There is no product involved and neither is there a company. It is the age old scam of selling the same thing over and over which is you advertising the same BS on job sites and in classified ads to catch other suckers.
There are no legitimate data entry jobs, and if it is legitimate they will not need you to pay to apply for the position, so beware!
Ah yes, I was at Bosch with him in 2000 :)
Is adsense a good option?
Yes, but you need a web site with traffic to make it work. Just a web site will earn you peanuts, but a web site with good traffic will serve you well
Cool…I’m guessing trafficing people to a website shouldn’t be that much of a problem, there is all sorts of tools available…Facebook, twitter etc. Now all I need is an idea for a website and someone to host it that is not very expensive…any suggestions?
I use gridhost .co.za for hosting. Remember do not waste money on buying traffic, quality traffic earns you money, sommer just any traffic cost you money
HostGator is the company I’ve used for the past decade for all my International hosting. Hetzner is my chosen local hosting company, however, local hosting is normally quite expensive in comparison.
Hi Chris how long did it take to start earning
affiliate income and could you decribe how you started out.
I did search on the internet because I was looking for a income and I paid the starter pack, and it was not a scheme, maybe I was lucky, we made a profit of R6500 in our first month – go work from home – I will be lounging on that beach just as they promised, but you have to do the work. Anyone looking? It worked for me
That’s great Adele. Can u forward details as I am also looking for something part-time that works.
Thanks.
Hallo Wendy
I have also been involved with a work from home business that is 100% legit and you can earn up to R15000 part time – if you are willing to work!
Hi Paula, How does one get further details regarding the work from home business which you are busy with? Thanks.
Wendy, what is your e-mail address, I’ll send you some info
@Paula – Can the information not be shared here so that others can benefit from it too?
Hi Chris and Wendy
I would like to e-mail a presentation regarding the business to those who are interested.
hello paula please post the program name
Hi Paula,
One of the things that has made this thread work so well is that I have worked hard to keep all the information right here. There are a few reasons for this, one is that it stops people from being able to carefully convince others to signup under them for various programs because someone is bound to leave another comment catching them out, that’s probably the most important reason. Now, I’m not saying that’s your deal of course, but I have to take that attitude for everyone. For example, when I click on your link, it’s an affiliate link to a system which requires you to “take action” and pay for an information pack – this is the biggest sign of a system which takes money and doesn’t always give back. Most people here will agree that these ones where you pay upfront normally result in a loss.
It’s for this very reason that I’d prefer you to share the information in the open and let others comment. If what you’re doing does work and it’s legitimate, then I presume you’ll have no problem explaining it here in detail, ye?
Educate us Paula, that’s why we’re all here :)
@Adele – The same applies for you (see previous comment), if you’ve found something that works, please do share your success story with us here so we can all see it out in the open and others can give their opinions on the system :)
@Adele – this smells a bit like Herbalife. Why the unwillingness to share what it is? That alone makes it sound fishy in my book. Would you care to clarify what it is that you have found?
I am proud to be a Herbalife Distributor, you are right Joan. If I did not take the chance on internet I would not have found this oppertunity. I was also very sceptical to pay the descision pack. You don’t know what is out there. Herbalife is on the New York Stock Exchange, part of the DSA, and in 74 countries. Herbalife changed my LIFE, maybe it can change yours
Hi Chris, John and Wendy
Sorry that I didn’t reply sooner.
The program is Herbalife! And I agree with Adele, it has changed my life since I started doing the business. It is not a scam and the only reason we ask people to buy the decision package is for them to make an informed decision about joining the business. The decision package is fully refundable if they are not interested. There are no hidden pitfalls!
Hi Paula and Adele
You will unfortunately come across people who have incorrect opinions about Herbaife (which they are entitled to have), but usually they result from opinion and not educated facts.
I am grateful for the decision package – 12 years ago I came across Herbalife and made a decision not to persue the opportunity due to other peoples opinions (pyramid / scam / expensive etc etc)!
Fortunately I came across the opportunity again 2 years later, worked through the Decision Package, made an educated decision to ignore what others said, fired my boss 3 months later due to my part-time earnings being greater than my take-home pay (this is not typical), and last year the opportunity enabled me to move my family from Gauteng to a small holding in Howick where we can all experience a lifestyle like I did when i was a kid (trees, horse riding, walking dogs in morning without worrying about being attacked etc)!
Herbalife is not for everybody, but everybody should have the opportunity of taking a look!
It is work and not a ‘Get Rich Quick Scheme’!
It is probably the most ethical opportunity in the marketplace, and was rated as the top MLM company in the world in 2009 (or maybe 2010)!
As you said, it is listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and it’s share price has climbed from about $US14 a share to currently slightly short of &US69 per share (in about 7 years) – last year started around $US40 and ended about 4US68.
The package is refundable and gives people the opportunity of making their own opinions based on fact.
That’s a really outstanding story Warren, congratulations mate!
Hi Chris
Thnx to you and everyone = Great comments/info.
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Thanks
Joan
Hi all,
Excellent blog Chris M. Learnt a lot. Took me hours to read through all the posts. Thanks also to Pieter, Chris M’s unofficial back-up dare I say :-)
SurveyBasket does work, I did get money back, but surveys have “dried up” or is it just me? I have not recruited anyone for a while, and that is where the boost comes from.
Can I play a bit of devil’s advocate here?
I’m going to risk it, only because my sense of fairness won’t let me be quiet.
A certain respected poster/contributor here have gained (in my opinion) quite a bit of spin-off from this blog to their own site, but way back in 2009 posed the question: “has this thread now been degraded to a free-for-all-to-paste-your-opportunity-in-this-section-even-if-it-is-crap?” yet exactly 4 days later was “guilty” yet again of doing exactly that, and continues to do so. Granted this poster/contributor’s opportunities are not “crap” indeed they are very legit and I will probably sign up as well, if I’ll be welcome after my harsh words!
Like many posters have commented not every opportunity works for everyone and what you might suck at the next person is very good at. I think another valuable lesson that’s come out of this blog is that you first need to really know yourself and what you are capable and good at for that matter. Never of course forget to first research, research, research and then research.
Thanks for this platform that you created Chris!
@Em – when I was referring to the free-for-all links I was talking about the referral links that people were posting INSIDE of their posts. I’m not denying that I get a bit of traffic from here, but so does Pieter and probably anyone who has a website who knows anything about SEO – but I don’t post crappy posts with referral links in it.
@ Warren, Paula & Adele – I have nothing against Herbalife – it is a good product if a bit over priced. What I do have a problem with is that when advertisements are placed or websites made, it never comes straight out and says its Herbalife. That is why I had a bit of a gripe about Paula not coming straight out and say, Hey I do Herbalife – why the secrecy? That is all I wanted to know. If you are making a good living out of Herbalife, then kudu’s to you, but its not for everybody and if I don’t agree with how they market their business, that is just my opinion, no necessarily the opinion of anyone else here.
Guys – just a heads up to all of you to not fall for the data entry scams that are doing the rounds once again lately. There is a person or persons advertising data entry/internet marketing/administration jobs on some of the job sites – they call themselves Moneyworx and Virtual Logic and the ad reads something like: we are a small English company looking for data entry typists, you don’t need experience bla bla bla, from the comfort of your own home, earnings R2500 a week – that is all BS. There really are no real data entry jobs available anywhere, and if there are real ones, they will NOT ask you to pay any money upfront. These guys make the ads look very legit but when it comes to applying, they send you an email that requests anything from R165 and up for “registration” fees. So don’t be caught out. If you are unsure about something, rather ask in here first. There is bound to be someone who would know if it is a scam or not.
Iam worried coz I saw ur comments today after paying my R380 for this. hbiz I gave them my account number,am worried what can I do specialy on my account
@lasmon – Ye, unfortunately it’s not the best system from what I’ve read, pity you didn’t see this post before hand :(
Hello everyone.
I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone who’s participated on this thread, as the comments pile in, more and more great information is being shared.
Talking about more information – For those of you locked in, please would you take the time to email this article to a friend or two, or share it on Twitter with your friends or even send it to Facebook? It’ll bring even more people here which results in more opinions and more information.
I’d really appreciate it!
Chris M
iMod.co.za Admin
Hi Chris
Hope you’re well.
I have a couple of blogs that I started for fun. My one blog “itsybikini” is getting over 1000 hits a day. Some days my google adsense earnings are between R5 – R20, other days only a few cents. How can I earn more with adsense and what can I do to get people to click on my ads legally. I post about 3 times a week.
Kind regards and thanx for a great forum
Michael Richards
Cape Town
Hi Michael, are you talking about hits or visits. Hits is something widely misused by web site owners. Hits are every file that opens and that includes images. One visit can open 5 files, thus 1 visit can be 5 hits. My one web site gets 200,000 visits but almost 1.7 million hits.
If you look at visits, you will only see real money once you get more than 5,000 visit per month. Before that your main aim is to increase the quality content on your web site and increase the traffic to your web site.
Hey Chris and Everyone
I have stumbled onto a fantastic opportunity that I think might be right up most people’s alley.
How would you like to shop at places like Pick n Pay, Woolworths, Makro, Kentucky etc etc and get cash back vouchers? Or better yet, you can earn money on what your family and friends spend at those places? Or, you can even earn money by using your card to shop at any shop?
How would you like to help your family and friends SAVE money and earn more money at the same time?
Let me know here by leaving a comment.
Joan
Hi Joan
I have read all the comments looks like your deal is the real one. How do i go about if i want to work for you?
@Desiree – please email me at **** – remove the ( ) around the @
Thanks
Joan
Hi Joan, I’ve got to ask that you allow people to chat here and that you don’t “steal” (hehe) them away from this thread, let’s keep this thread to conversation and not recruitment please.
Hi Chris
My apologies – I did not mean to do that at all. I thought Desiree wanted to have details about the transcription work and I wasn’t sure if I should discuss the whole procedure here?
Blessings
Joan
Hi Joan,
No need to apologize, I am aware of what you do and how you’ve been involved, the important thing here is to keep the conversation here so that others can learn. If everyone’s recruited from here, nobody else will come across this huge resource of information, that’s all :)
Hi Everyone.
Fleet Street Publications?I did some research on them but come up emty handed. just want to know if they for real or a scam.
They are for real and sometimes they do publish some good articles. But why I stopped my subscription with them is because with every issue you get they send more spam than real info. They send you a 5 page article about how to make money with something but the article is actually just a sales pitch and if you want to get the full info you still have to buy another report, that while you a subscriber to their service. They also have a “What really makes money” newsletter which most of the time is crap. They will tell you to open a pet shop and make money from it or stuff like that.
Hi Chris
Have you heard about “Project Payday”? Sounds like another US “get-rich-quick” scheme.
@ JJ – Project Payday is a scam.
Thought as much, thanks Joan
You should be careful of saying that all work from home / make money online products are scams because you would be misleading people.
I recognise MANY scammish type business offers that are based on MLM style marketing and other zero-substance business models. But on the other hand, there are TONS of very useful products being sold. Look at a product released around 2007, an e-book by Perry Marshall…The Definitive Guide To Google AdWords. This is one of the best guides available on the internet teaching how to make a high ROI using Pay-Per-Click advertising using Google AdWords.
Next you get some other extremely useful online courses that have substance, and guide the user through the process of establishing themselves online and making a profit by either promoting other products in exchange for commission or making money with Google AdSense, or best of all, how to create your own info product teaching people something valuable that might be in demand.
These are genuine courses, not ‘systems’ that require some membership, but a full study guide teaching you some really effective methods of online promotion. In this day, working from home is very much based on the internet, and if you want to learn how to make yourself heard on the internet, you need to learn from a professional. Or spend months or years figuring out on your own.
A good example would be a course I recently purchased via a local website iMoneyMaker, its called Google Sniper 2 and goes into detail how a person can earn a good monthly revenue by setting up multiple high-value websites that earn a combined income that can allow you to leave the day job and work from home 24/7. I found it very insightful and useful to what Im trying to do now, and the information is valuable.
You can see the info here:
http://gsniper2.com/ (affiliate link free)
(I hope you dont mind the URL Chris, I just dont like when people say that ALL online work from home products are scams, when in fact there are many very legit and valuable products that can be used to attain the ‘work from home’ goal)
Good luck guys.
Hi everyone
Just want to add another name to the list of scams: Automated Profit Package. They use logo’s of legit companies like Google en Twitter, and also mention ClickBank. This is all just to make you believe that they are legit, and that these companies actually do business with them. There are also the typical scam-clues on their website. First clue is that they ask upfront payment of $20 for the ‘kit’. Second clue is that there are always 3 out of 300 positions available, no matter what country you select, and from what I’ve heard it has been the same since its start in 2010. Third clue is that they seriously don’t want you to leave their website, and they don’t want to tell you what exactly they do or how you will make all that money. They also use stock photos in their testimonials.
If anyone has had a different experience with them and actually made some money, please share your experience and information with the rest of us. But until then, I’m still a sceptic, and I think this is a scam.
Hi All
Anybody hear of smartpaidprepaid.com ?
Are they for real?
Thanks
Aslam
Hi Joan,
Sorry to post here, but I sent an email to your transcription site and cc’d support(at)women… on 3 March, but for some reason don’t have a reply yet. Can you check up for me? Thanks!
Hi @EM, please keep the conversation in here. Joan checks this thread actively, so instead of taking this into private, let’s chat here, share the wisdom :)
@EM – I can’t see your full name? However, as you can understand we get a lot of enquiries and sometimes people do slip through the cracks. If you haven’t received any training assessment details by Friday, then please send me another email to the email address that you quoted above. We normally try and get to everyone in a timely manner but it is not always possible :)
@ Chris – thank you for giving people the opportunity to find real work via this blog!
Blessings
Joan
@Joan – I’ve sent you EM’s email address via email :)
Thanks Joan and Chris!
I will look out for the email Joan, I understand the logistics. One other question for Joan, I also checked out the Jamming stuff but I can’t figure out what to do, maybe stress and impatience got the better of me!
Have a fabulous day.
No problem, please do report back with any success you have so that the others can benefit too.
Hi guys,
Is there any of these work from home which works?
@Junaid – Have you read through the comments?
would love to work from home dont want the scams that you must send money to make money.
Can some one pls help.
Is there any one out there that can help me to work from home i really need the extra cash.
Hi Desiree and Junaid
Try Herbalife!! It’s not a pyramid scheme or scam and you can realy make loads of money if you’re willing to work – but you do it all from home when you want to.
@Desiree – Have you tried any programs yet?
@Paula – Do you have some conclusive proof that it works? Are you using it?
*Bites my tongue*
thanks Paula will try
Of course you can make money working at home, and it is not going to come free. That doesnt mean you need to send money to someone for an info pack (agh so common these days) or registration in some magical system.
What you are going to need to do is spend money on a monthly web hosting server, the setup of your website + design (or theme), some money to cushion the downtime, a willingness to write, and from there you can pretty much do anything by monetizing your website in a variety of ways.
There are professionals out there to help you learn online marketing, use them.
@Chris
Yes, I am a distributor and do the Herbalife business only parttime, and I’ve made quite a profit already (paying for our accommodation Easter Weekend just from profit made the past 4 weeks!!!!) And I’ve met many who actually got RICH from this business. So yes, it defenately works!!
Paula, and what if you stop selling your product? Or you have a low month? Can you go on a 5 month holiday and still receive your income?
The idea of “work from home” needs to include a longer-term strategy … and this is my frustration with the products out there.
In my world, I want to take home R1m a year and only work 2 hours a day … O wait, I do that already… ;-)
Hi Chris M
What is programms and how does it work.
chris
May I leave my details incase they want to contact me to get into the Herbalife business?
@Tony – Yeh, I haven’t met too many people who can actually prove that Herbalife works. They’re normally interested purely in recruiting people under them so that they can get others to do the work, which is clever and it is how it works, but at the end of the day someone needs to do the work. We’ve spoken about this so many times, hehe.
@Desiree – No no, I’m asking if you’ve tried anything yet?
@Paula – I don’t recommend Herbalife, I’ve never spoken to anyone who’s made a success from it and I know a lot of online marketers. I do recommend slowly reading through all the comments on this thread as there’s huge value and a ton to be learnt. You’ll quickly see which programs don’t work and that information is invaluable.
At the end of the day, making money isn’t easy. Making money online is harder and making money from home is the hardest – not because of the environment, but because of the audience you need to tap into and to tap into that audience you need a strong skill set when it comes to online marketing and traffic manipulation. All these points have been raised in the discussion above a number of times.
That being said, it is possible to make money online and good money, Tony does it, I’ve made a lot of money online and there are a large number of people who do, but what I can tell you is Tony will tell you, it’s a great deal of work and I’ll back him up.
Money never comes easily.
@ Desiree – if you are really prepared to do REAL work i.e. transcription work – I can help you if you pass the assessment – you can just visit womenatork.co.za to see what it entails and if you are interested just follow the instructions at the site to apply.
@EM – Elaine, Jamming is not a new concept in SA, it is just one of the better ones I have seen and the fact that they have companies like Pick ‘n Pay and Woolworths backing them gives them much more credibility in my book as opposed to some of the other offers where you can also get cash back but the stores are places that hardly anyone ever buys from.
The Jamming concept is to give you cash back when you use your jamming card at any of the places that they are affiliated with, and you even get cash back (although it is a bit less) if you use your card at any other retailers.
But not only do you get cash back as a reward for shopping with their recommended retailers e.g Pick ‘n Pay, if you get people to sign up under you you also earn money on what they spend, so if you really work at it you can actually quickly build quite a reasonable income from it per month.
All you need to do is sign up at the site, pay R270 into their account (this is R150 for the card fees for the year) and R120 for admin fees. They will send you your card within about 3 days via registered post. Once you get your card, you just need to deposit money into it and then use it to pay for all your shopping. You need to use the card at least 10 times a month to qualify for cash back and commissions but I’m sure all of use our bank cards way more than that in any case.
Once you start earning money and cash backs, you will get paid once a month.
You will need a referral number to sign up so if its OK with Chris I am going to ask you to visit *** for more info. Chris – if this is in violation with your policies just edit this post. If you guys have any questions regarding Jamming I will be happy to answer them here.
Joan, before we do affiliate links and so forth, I really want to get some statistics in here, what the earning potential is, what you’ve managed to make, how many people you had to get below you and so forth, so that people really do get a proper understanding of what they’re in for. Far too many people quickly jump and sign up for systems and end up trying for a month and then giving up, this is due to lack of information or false information and that needs to be cut out, especially if it’s taking place on iMod.
@Chris – well, this is like any network marketing – you have to put in some work and it is not a “get rich quick” scheme. It is much easier to get people to sign up though because of the fact that they can get cash back out of it. Some people sign up purely to get cash back, others work the business. I have found that it is a very easy concept to propose to people although you still get the odd one that thinks everything network marketing is a pyramid scheme.
I have done this business for just over a month now, and it is growing steadily. I just show people my card and tell them how it works and most of them are really eager.
Statistics – I had 5 people under me last month and I already earned R150 the end of the month – taking into account that some of them only got their cards towards the end of the month. The end of this month it will be at least double that as I get more and more people signing up.
I normally have a problem with roping in friends and family into anything network marketing related, but this is really a no-brainer. All people I know like saving money and if they can make money on top of that, even better.
The only marketing I’m doing is: a) I set up a website, b) spoke to family and friends c)posted about it on Facebook d) I post advertisements at free classified sites
You don’t have to have a website, you can even just get people to contact you on your email for more info.
One thing I do have in my favour is that my friends and family trust me and they know that I will never introduce them to anything shady.
Any other questions? I’ll be happy to answer them.
Hi Guys – some clarification is needed regarding the Herbalife discussion:
1. Tony: If you have been in the business for a reasonable amount of time (no, 1 month is not a reasonable amount of time!), and build up a huge network, yes – you can go away for 5 months etc!
I agree, there are a selected few (obviously like yourself) who can achieve what you are looking to achieve, but I don’t believe this applies to the majority of people wanting to make extra income, however I do believe that anybody can make themselves a really good residual income from Herbalife!
2. Chris M – In 9 years of being in Herbalife, I have not come across a single person who has succeeded by only recruiting. Also, if you want others to do the work for you, you will not make any retail profit, and you will also not make your Royalty income, so no, it is not how it works! I’m interested to find out how you came to that conclusion!
As far as Herbalife really working, I urge anybody to take a look at the share prices, the growth in Southern Africa and Around the world in the last year.
As a guarantee, it will not work for the person who wants to sit behind their computer and make buckets of money! That is why there are unfortunately lots of people who have not made Herbalife work for them! Simply put, they have not worked for Herbalife – SIMPLE!!
Our business is a ‘people business’, and if you don;t want that, Herbalife is not for you!
As far as Work From Home – absolutely – I do exactly that, and that is how I managed to escape the Gauteng Ratrace to the countryside!
Hay Guys
I have done some research on BeMotivatedToday and decided to join the Silver membership which is about R70 p/m! and have allready started to build my downline. I have only been at it for about a week! But it is really promising!
As with any MLM people are skeptical, but this system explains itself. IT IS NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME, but there is minimal effort involved and the outcome depending on how successfull you are at it might be mind-blowing!
Thanks for the feedback Warren, very good points. Are you able to disclose what you earn from Herbalife monthly after 9 years of experience?
Hi Warren
I couldn’t have put it better myself!!!
Chris and all the other sceptics, I’ve only been in the business 5 months, and doing it part time, I’ve made a profit of +R2000 last month!!!
@Warren – I completely dispute your statement that not everyone can do what I do. I am just incredibly lazy and so I’m always looking for ways to do LESS and earn more. Technology helps me to do that.
I know you can make money with Herbalife. I’ve had dinner with people like Sanjay (made his millions through herbalife). I also know that if you’re not moving enough product per month they will stop paying out your commission and the company keeps it all for themselves.
Herbalife is GRUELING work and you have to be prepared to sacrifice a LOT to achieve any modicum of success.
My father always told me I was an incredibly lazy person, which is why I developed my system to build passive/residual income over a short period of time. I now run regular workshops in Cape Town teaching people exactly how to do that.
Not everyone wants to earn R100 000pm, some people just want to escape the Rat Race, but I’m not going to tell people to give up 4 nights a week for 9 years to earn R20 000/month if it can be done in 12 weeks.
As I say, if you find Herbalife works for you, then great, but I think people need to be upfront about it – seriously hard work, no personal life, and mediocre returns on investment, imho.
@Paula – Just to paint you a background quickly. I have been working online for over 15 years, I’ve earned in excess of several hundred thousand rand in the past few years from online marketing, iMod’s won multiple awards for being on of the top blogs in Africa and I have a list of accolades longer than my arm. That being said, my judgment on this sort of thing is usually accurate.
I’d like to investigate your 5 months of business to determine what’s working so that it can be shared with others. For example, how much did you earn each month for the first 3 months? How much are you going to earn this month? How many hours do you work a day? What form of active marketing do you do? How many sales were required to reach R2,000.00? What marketing experience do you have? Have you ever run a business before? See, there must be something that works for you and it’s that something that you might have, but nobody else knows about it or has it, let’s find out what it is and share it!
The whole point of this thread is to share knowledge at the end of the day, so how about you share your strategy with others and let’s see who else we can get started and earning? If you’re not keen on sharing that knowledge, then you don’t really belong here :)
Hi Chris
I do not mind sharing at all.
As I’ve mentioned before, I’m doing this only part time. All my profit so far has only been from retail, no Royalties from other peoples hard work. I put up adds every where I go and talk to friends and family. Not much of a marketing plan, but it works for me.
I am also interested in Tony’s business, (would love to go on holiday for 5 months, while still making money) if he could share.
@Chris M – Yip, Currently between R20,000 and R30,000 Passive and between R10,000 and R15,000 Retail profit. Expecting the Royalty to climb to around R40,000 this year.
@Tony – Not sure who Sanjay is. If he is who I think he is, he is no longer with Herbalife, and hasn’t been for the last about 5 years?
Correction regarding commission – the company doesn’t keep any! However, you do need to turn over a certain amount to qualify to get your full royalty, and if you don’t, it goes to your upline. Magical system as it enables me to earn more that the person who sponsored me into the business!
Herbalife in my opinion is not gruelling work and has massive satisfaction, and not much sacrifice. (I will admit Different people have different interpretations of sacrifice)!
I suggest that Tony should not attack something he knows little about, in the same way I won’t attack his business!
There is place for everybody, and in my opinion, the responsible thing to do is to recommend people research opportunities and make up their own minds. Saying things on this thread that are not correct simply gives people the wrong impression, and that could prevent somebody from making a decision for themself!
I believe that as a Network Marketer / MLM person, we should never attack other companies! It is an extremely ethical industry and it is not a great idea to paint a shadow.
The ones that do are the ones to be wary of! (My opinion)
Thanks for the warning Chris, only wish I saw this earlier. I have been scammed and I have taken your advice of letting the ASA know. I do appreciate that you warn the peeps and I hope that all the people find your site so they can see that it is out there and not make the same mistake as I did. Thanks again!
Wow, this is a long list of comments. I read a few in the beginning and a few at the end, but i will read more on my next visit. I have a list of people on my blog complaining about hbiz on my post warning them against hbiz. Pietpetoors.com/blog also has a list of people discussing hbiz. Why have they not been taken down yet?
A scam site for South Africans is a good idee and i am willing to contribute to it.
I have come across many opportunities and scams in my online research. My email inbox looks like the scam / spam headquarters, but i keep on entering my email for that day when someone delivers on their million dollar blue print and i can inform my readers :-). –>> I am looking for real opportunities for my readers.
There is no easy way of making money online or with home business, MLM etc. You can make money quickly if you are lucky. I registered a domain name for $9 and sold it for $299 in two weeks. I was lucky and it was my first domain name i flipped. I did take initiative when registering the name as i saw this could be a money maker name.
Adsense, Traffic Synergy and Offerforge are the 3 most stable earning networks for South Africans and i agree with Chris.
@Jan I whould recommend if you don’t have the knowledge (yet) to develop a website yourself, the funds to pay for web development or not wanting to spend initially on web development that you have a look at developing your website in a CMS system. CMS ( Content Management Systems ) that are opensource ( meaning you get access to the source code ) and is distributed under GPL (General Public License) is free to use and edit as you wish. CMS Websites are quick and easy to setup.
The 3 most popular CMS systems that are opensource are Joomla, WordPress and PHPbb. PHPbb is for forum development, Joomla is for general website development, while WordPress is for blogging, although WordPress is also used for general web development because of its simplicity to setup and modify with plugins and it is so well supported with many programmers contributing to it, and it is probably the most popular CMS system. If you are new to web development then you should still find setting up a WordPress website easy. Atahualpa is a nice WordPress theme with alot of customizability for SEO and design if you have a bit of html and CSS knowledge.
You can use WampServer for developing your website on your personal computer before uploading it to your webhost. I have written a simple tutourial for setting up WordPress using WampServer. Just give me a shout if you need help.
Here are a few mlm opportunities i have looked at, have been around for a while and i can’t see anybody faulting with joining them. ( Some of them have been mentioned )
Boltron ( Social Buying )
Jamming ( Reward Buying Card )
ICI – Independant Client Introducer (JSE Investment threw StratEquity )
VOX ( Voip Telecoms )
BeMotivated2Day ( Motivation )
Herbalife ( Health )
Dynamic Travel Network is another one, claiming to have 30000 members in its first two months and is about 8 months old, although i will let you decide on this one. I was a member, but lost confidence in them.
odesk.com looks like a good freelancing website. ITfreelance.co.za and freelancecentral.co.za are two south african freelancing sites that have been around for a while. freelancelounge.co.za is a new one, but nothing happening there yet. Fiverrs (Fiverr.com and many clone sites like it) might be a way making some quick dollars if you have a good idee for a gig. I listed one gig and made $5 into my paypal account for not really doing anything ( just shared information i found that could be valuable, about 1 sentence ) but haven’t really tried making money with them. Just did it for research purpouses.
Hope this helps
Cheers
BJ
I would also like to know if anyone knows if smartpaidprepaid.com is a scam or not?
Thanks
Hi Jacques – I would not go so far as to call it a scam, but you have to really think about it before you join them. They charge you a signup fee which is supposedly for a “franchise” but you have to cough up every time you even think of doing anything – there is nothing included for the monies you have to pay them. They say it’s for the “franchise” but should you change your mind when you find them a bit incompetent, they will not give you a refund because all of sudden the money is for “service fees” – ask me – they did that to me R1250 later. I personally would not deal with them ever again. I have reported them to the Consumer Council but still have heard nothing from them about it.
Joan
Thanks Joan :-)
Do you know of anyone else doing a similar oportunity as it does seem like a good business to get into?
Jacques
Hi all
I’ve read through some of the comments and found that some of the sites that the guys mentioned are the ones i’ve already tried.
I’m a bit sceptic when comes to pay a signing up fee to get a CD of some sort that’s gona explain to me the whole get rich quick scheme.
I’ll keep you posted if some of the sites mentioned in the thread actually works. If you never try then u wont know hey.
cheers
@schalk – Please let us know which ones you’ve tried and what the outcomes were..
@bj – I would like to know more about WordPress.
@Schalk – That’s a big topic. What I suggest is that you head over to WordPress.com and do some reading. They have excellent tutorials and write-ups and anything you might need to know will be answered there. There is also WordPress.org, but that’s for people who are a little more technical and understand WordPress better. Once you’ve explored WordPress.com, I can assure you that you’ll know what’s going on :)
WordPress is the free software you can install on a server to ruyn a blog. Many people do not use it for blogsd anymore, they use it to build a web site. It is very easy to manage and you can add lots of plugins to add functionality.
Web hosting companies like Gridhost offer hosting where WordPress is pre-installed on the server, from as little as R34 per month.
Hi Schalk
I suggest you download Wapserver from wampserver.com and install WordPress on your local computer before going to a live environment. Not that it is necessary, but then you can play around with different plugins and get a feel for it. Once you have installed wampserver, you can upload the WordPress installation folder to the (by default) c:/wamp/www directory. Rename the wordpress folder to e.g. my_new_website and then visit http://localhost/my_new_website to install WordPress. Wampserver needs to be running and you will see an icon in the bottom right hand of your screen in your windows taskbar if it is. You will have to create a database using phpmyadmin first, which you can access by right clicking on the wampserver icon in your taskbar. When installing WordPress on your local computer just use the default user name ( root ) and default password ( no password ) and the name of the database you created. If you decide to upload the files later on to your server you can just change these settings in the config.php file to the database connection settings with your web host. The Server settings whould stay “localhost”. You will use the same address ( http://localhost/my_new_website) to access your website once WordPress is installed. Then you can visit your WordPress Admin Control Panel via http://localhost/my_new_website/wp-admin.
hi again
I came to this site forcedcashgifts.com. Is this a pyramid scheme or not. It asks you to join them for 7USD and then just refer other guys to join them as well and when they join with your link they pay you 1USD up to 6 levels deep? Looks a bit dodgy…
Looks a big dodgy @Schalk, I certainly wouldn’t go with that site unfortunately :(
Hi Chris M
Just want to say thankyou for this web you’ve started. Though I would like to look for a job on the net when LUCKELY comes across you web and the comments from all the people that joined so far. We lost thousand because of another tipe of scam and all I can say anything to do with pounds and dollars please people be very carefull. This not being a scam – chances are very slim for sure. Please keep us the good work people it’s really appreciated.
My pleasure Cornelia, thank you for your kind words. Hope to see you again soon :)
hi chris.
Lets say u start a blog,how would you go about to make it visible on google search?
@ schaalk
If you were to start a blog with blogger(.)com, under the settings tab is an option “Let search engines find your blog?”. Select YES
…If you select “Yes” we will include your blog in Google Blog Search and ping Weblogs.com. If you select “No”, everyone can still view your blog but search engines will be instructed not to crawl it. If there are links to your blog from other websites, search engines may still suggest your blog in response to queries…
Same deal for WordPress, there’s an easy to find option which allows search engines to discover your website. Obviously this is highly important. If you’re worried and uncertain as to whether search engines are finding your site, simply enter your domain name (ie. imod.co.za) into Google and see if the site is returned :)
hi chris
How can I start a forum on my blog? Is that possible?
Just go to Plugins in your admin panel, enter the word “forum” in the search box and look for a plugin for forums. There are various plugins, look at the star rating and try some of them,. It is easy to install and uninstall a plugin.
hi chris
Can you explain to me how i install wordpress on my PC? Can you creat your website with wordpress offline or must you be online?
@ Schalk
WordPress is a script that one installs online once you have a hosting account with a hosting service provider and yes you have to be online. If you are looking for a hosting provider please feel free to contact me at joan.masterson(@)gmail.com for cheap hosting. I will also install wordpress for you once you have a domain name and a hosting account. If this all sounds Greek to you please chat to me on Skype. My Skype ID is megabytemama.
@Schalk it is possible to design your wordpress website offline using wampserver or xampp and then later on upload it to your webhost. You will just have to change the database connection settings in the config file, upload the files to your public_html folder and export the database from your localserver (wamp or xampp) using phpmyadmin and then import it into your webhost database via your control panel.
Yes BJ, download WordPress from WordPress.org :)
Hi
Thanks for a great blog.
I know there are lots of people looking for genuine Work from Home opprtunities that are not scams.
I came across an exciting opportunity and willing to share more with those interested.
Gurantee this is no scam.
Opportunity offers monthly residual income nationally.
Once again, thanks a mill. Your blog was a great help to me in avoiding ‘scams’ and dodgy companies, as I was at the time finding info on particular sites – Hombiz.co.za being an example.
Regards Jocelyn
Tell us more please Jocelyn :)
Hi all,
Glad to share this with everyone. Go to: http//www.home911.co.za.
Under: Home911 Service (first option at very left hand side of page) click ‘How does Home911 work?’
Want to point out, the benefits of the service is for any given situation, be it: if you are broken down on the highway, involved in a car accident, school children on way to and from school, involved in a highjack/robbery, elderly living alone (sickly or not), keys locked in car, Neighbourhood Watch etc etc) = everybody needs it = it is a GREAT needed service.
Now for a great residual income opportunity: on the left hand side of the page, under: “Downloads” click ‘Home911 Brochure 2′ (last applet on left hand side of page). Alternatively, click “Income option unlike anything before” – on the right hand side of the page and click ‘Download Home911 Brochure 2 for compensation plan details’).
As you can see from the plan, earning potential is enormous. Finally, a genuine work from home opportunity. I was diagnosed with cancer of the right kidney in mid August last year and had it removed in early September. They had just wheeled me into ICU after the 8 hour op when I had a stroke. I am still unfit for work = so this opportunity is a real mighty blessing.
Should you want to subscribe click ‘JOIN HERE’ (the first applet – top right hand side of page). The beauty is, you have a marketing option of both electronic AND one-on-one (not everyone has a PC) = for those who don’t, you can download the Application Form and photocopy it (REMEMBER TO FILL IN YOUR DETAILS AS THE INTRODUCER/HOST on the form = so you can get paid) and do your one-on-one marketing and still earn an income.
As this is National, family members, friends etc. all have equal opportunity to earn, anywhere in RSA. As with everything, success will depend on input for both mediums (electronic or one-on-one).
The other benefit is: there is no contract to sign as it is on a month-to-month basis via a Debit Order on your Savings or Current Account on the 1st of the month.
Hope lots of people will make lots of residual income from this opportunity (myself incl.). I have just started a one-on-one marketing initiative in my suburb and already have 35 people who I’ve encouraged to also market the service. I’m keen to see response from sharing this. Jocelyn
I’m yet to hear many great stories about this system. Including your affiliate link certainly doesn’t instill much courage in our eyes.
Anyone had much success with this system?
Hi Chris,
Thanks for having a peek.
Just a reminder, it was only launched on 12th March 2011 = like all new products/service, it will take some time before it’s success can be gauged. Judging by the initial response, potential seems good. The mere fact of having a mobile panic button via your cellphone, to notify those who love and care for you in times you’re in trouble – especially if in a highjack or robbery senario = in that circumstance, you don’t have time to make a call = but you can push a button on your keypad to send the alert call = is comforting. The alert SMS is free and a recipient can have your SMS tracked to your location when your alert SMS was sent. Thanks again for a great blog.
@Jocelyn.
If I’m not mistaken, this product was launched quite a while ago.
I received information about it many months ago as well, it’s not nearly as new as just a couple months.
Hi all,
Quite correct Jan. The service was introduced (not officially launched) approx. 2 years ago on a trail basis to gauge its effectiveness and iron out any glitches. At that stage, the service was free and no introducer/host got paid for any introductions at any level, although the service was in force and operational.
However, it was officially launched on 12 March 2011, debit orders going off on 1st of the month and any introductions is now getting paid at all levels (payments are paid a month in arrears, once debit orders has gone through) = meaning: the person who introduced me gets paid and any introductions I make, I get paid and so on. Thought I’d clarify any misunderstandings or misconceptions. Will keep you posted as time goes on. Regards Jocelyn
Hi
I just want to get some clarity. Was is the effectiveness of safelist’s? Because as i understand you can send your email to thousands of people,but i just cant see that happening.Because you have to sign up and then and i bet you that all the other guys signing up also sends emails.So is that emails that you send just going to those guys in the safelist promoting their product as well?
Hi Schalk,
Thanks for the comment. (I see my site address has been altered = it should read: http//www.home911.co.za/100393) To clarify: no this is not about sending 100′s of e-mails and recipients in turn sending out e-mails. Go to: http//www.home911.co.za/100393 and read “How does Home911 work”. It’s about a service = turning your cellphone into a mobile panic button to alert those who care about you in times you’re in trouble/danger. Because of it (especially with so much crime around), lots of people would want the same for themselves and whoever they care about = because it promotes itself, Home911 chose to reward anyone who refers someone to be rewarded themselves (hence Home911 does not advertise)= see under: “Downloads” click ‘Home911 Brochure 2′.
The service is designed offering either a one-on-one basis OR, electronic. Either you print and photocopy the Application Form and get the person who wants to subscribe to the service to fill it in, OR (I’ll use you as the example) Schalk logs onto http//www.home911/100393 and click JOIN HERE and fills in the application form electronically. Once you have registered (if on a one-on-one the introducer/host would go onto his site and register the person), eithr way, you will get a notice via SMS informing you of you subscriber number (such as the one I’ve used above)and anyone you know who wants to subscribe, you will use your subscriber number on the application for = if you are doing it on a one-on-one basis OR if they want to do it via their PC, they will log onto your site (e.g. tp//www.home911.co.za/103333). This ensures that however many you introduce you get paid as well as however many the person you introduced, introducers others = all get paid (see example in Brochure 2). Reason why I shared this, is it is an opportunity to earn for anyone to earn an income = whether I do it on a one-on-one among my family/friends etc. or in a shopping mall or whever I choose; but I can also do it electronically as well e.g. I have a friend in Cape Town who wants to subscribe = I give him my site address and he can subscribe. Hope this addresses your comment. Hey there are guys earning money in squater camps with this = so no excuse for us in the suburbs. Wish you all well.Regards
Hi all
Before any comments avalanches: PLEASE FORGIVE ME = I apologise to all = my comment about: (I see my site address has been altered)= I had answered the phone and a tiny little visitor was at my PC when I returned to it = she must’ve pressed the backspace key and deleted the /100393 from my address = which I did not notice at the time (my submission 23rd May). Again = sooooo sorry.
Now some of the subsequent comments make sense to me. Personally, I think the developers went out of their way to ensure: integrity and reliabilty by ensuring ALL parties were protected in the promoting chain. Regards
Hi,Chris M.
It sound very good to me to do home business online but i don’t have a laptop,I”ll buy it ones I earn my first or second salary. currently i’m using my blackberry phone.
Hopefully my request will be taken to consideration.
Sincerely
G. Ramadie
I agree Chris but u know what there are some work from home programs out there where you don’t have to pay upfront for the program. You an become an affilliate like me. To make real money go to http://www.clickbank.com/index.html
You won’t be sorry. This is my guarentee to you
dear chris
iam very much interested in working at home can you please show me how to get A
website so i can put my laptop to use
regards
lloyd pillay
Clickbank is indeed an option, however, you need to know how to make a decent website, run affiliate programs and attract traffic to a website – these are skills that not everyone has and to get them requires a good technical understanding of computers.
Hi All
First of all, Chris thank you for an excellent blog. It has taken me couple days to read everthing through thoroughly, which I thought I would do before posting in my comments. I too like most of you here am looking for a home based opportunity. I used to work in a law firm for many many years (since leaving school), but got sick and tired of the mundaness of it all so my partner and myself bought ourselves a coffee shop in the Klein Karoo. Trouble is its very seasonal and to cut a long story short, need additional income. I was always skeptical about sites such as home.biz (too good to be true) so never allowed myself to be caught by any of these scams. Always when I enquired about these opportunities I asked for FICA docs, i.e. proof of name and residence, or alternatively a copy of their I.D. book (there were never any takers hence knew right off something was wrong with them). The immense wealth of information from people like you Chris, Pieter, Tony and Joan M amongst others (sorry if I have not mentioned all your names) is soooo very appreciated. Joan I will be contacting you shortly. On the note of building your own websites has anybody had a look at cellary…. Is this worthwile looking at?
Hi all
Sorry that website address is http://www.cellary.co.za... Is this worthwhile?
@Sandy – thanks for the compliment :) Not sure what you mean by cellary though?
@ Joan M – cellary (dot) co (dot) za
Hi Joan
If you go into cellary.co.za….. It teaches you how to design websites at the same time you can do the business of selling the C Box. Have a look and let me know what you think…… I am not very clued up on building websites but i’m willing to learn. Thanks
Hi,
Did anybody look at the cellary business package yet? Any advice?
Hi
CAn anybody help me? I am looking for a mlm software (affordable).
Not selling enough houses Andy? :(
Have you taken the time to read through all these comments yet?
HI
No, I am not an Estate Agent (just working in admin, however I wish I was, some is making a LOT of money!!!).
My last visit here was about a year ago and have not read anything.
Without trying to use this form to recruit people, I am trying my luck at MLM, yes I know MLM do not have good track record, but I think I have a diffreant approach to the MLM system.
So I am looking for some affordable software.
P.S- My MLM do not require any upront fee or any monthly fee and it is a win -win situation for suppliers and members plus members benefit from two ways (OOPs, sorry, I realy do not want to misuse this webpage for “selling” my idea.)
Hi Chris or anyone else
Can you advise about the cellary package….. What do you think of it?…. Just want to know if ligit….
Ah alright :)
MLM’s do work for some people, I know a few folks who are really successul and they have been given a bad name because of the number of people who fail and the number of services which are full of BS, but if you spend time reading and researching, I’m sure you’ll find one that you might be able to use.
Good luck!
Hi Chris my friend suggested I try AutoXTen. Would appreciate some feedback from you. They require a $10 activation fee, so I am not so sure about this.
The fact that you wrote this article is so sad.I have been working from home for 3 years.The fact that people are going to read this and think they can’t make money from home is a shame.I gave up my job years ago and devoted my time to Internet Marketing and have been very successful and YES I am part of a MLM which does very well and is NOT a scam ,me and others have managed to have considerable wealth without ripping anyone off.I would say you should delete this but I know you won’t.I really hope no one listens to what you have said or they won’t get anywhere.
Not sure if this one is legit?? I registered and paid the fee. Should I continue?
Don’t go for Offerforge, they seem to be a bit harsh when it comes to payout. I have been waiting for 3 months now for little money to be paid. They are not even replying to my emails now.
Interesting that you say that @artist, because you’re not the first person I’ve heard this from. In fact, I know people who say they aren’t paying out at all or are paying out %’s of what people are owed :/
it’s sad that they are still scamming people and there is no one to stop them.
HAS anyone ever heard of edatagroup (co.za) a site made “by south africans for south africans” I would love to hear your opinion about these type of training agencies. According to them you work for american companies who pay you according your paypal account.
I am a data entry/typist/audio transcriber for a doctors’ office and one of email contacts forwarded this to me.
Many thanks.
Hey guys,
I have been checking out all these scams online and discussing these things with a few people who know the legal side of things. In fact these guys could get a hefty fine and a few years in jail – Yes!
Regarding my earlier post about edatagroup big scam, all research proves, that this is an american company who loves taking your money. I have reported them to ASA – so please avoid it.
Happy Times :)
@skye, don’t you want to report offerforge as well? I can provide you proofs. I would love to see them ‘screaming’ in jail…
Hi, good day I have read through all of your posts and in the beginning I have also been sceptic. I came across a site who pays you for doing activities online. I am from South Africa and live in Cape Town, work in Stellenbosch and I’m just a regular guy.They do researching and campaigning for big companies and they pay you in $. Check this out. It’s all free to join and there is hundreds of jobs on their site on a daily basis. http://www.gptinfinity.com/
Does anyone have knowledge about GPT Infinity?
hi all. i’ve found another site that is free to join and is really easy to set up. i dont know if you know this site its called sharecash.com
All that you do is upload files(any type you can think of) and wait for people to download your stuff and then in return you get paid for every download that someone makes. You can also promote your product on there at any free ad classified sites. i personally think this is a great way to start as well and to learn in marketing. Chris do you know of them?
All the reviews i read on this site all came back possitive.
Interesting Schalk, I haven’t heard of this site I don’t think, I’ll take a look and see what I can find out. Perhaps someone else here knows some more information too..
employed-by-myself.com
Has anyone been on the site above and do you know what it is about?
Hi Chris, I was looking for home jobs and came upon http://heinesmoneymakers.jimdo.com the main guy being Marco. It looked quite legitimate until I received an email back from him wanting money for training material. Then I thought I’d google the website and came upon your website. After reading the whole blog (which is extremely long and very informative) I deducted that it was a scam so I emailed Marco back and asked him a few questions.
Well he emailed back with a whole lot of reasons why I should join them. I still didn’t believe it so I took his first line of answers and googled it. I found that the identical answers are on a few websites! Everything on the first 2 websites below are idential, even the stories from the public!
http://lifechangingoppertunity.jimdo.com/
http://heinesmoneymakers.jimdo.com/
http://durban.locanto.co.za/ID_119919362/Administrative-Clerk.html
Please let everyone know about the these scammers!
Hi guys, ive come across a job add that offered Admin/ PA/ office assist postions. After applying i recieved an email from them and i discovered that it was a work from home job, see email below.
” … I have received your Email, thank you. Please read the below carefully and only reply if you are truly interested. This is a real opportunity and responding to candidates that are not truly interested takes up a lot of our resources. The following is more info regarding the Office Administrator opportunity you have expressed interest in:As a Office Administrator, the following will be expected from you:· Access to a PC (whether it is your PC at home or the PC at work during quiet times or even the Internet café is of no importance – as long as you have one)· Constant Internet Access – you will be working “online”· a valid E-mail account· a bank account (in order for you to receive payment)· you must also be able to conduct yourself in a professional manner at all times. You have to be a “people person”. This includes having excellent grammar and spelling when communicating with clients via E-mail· In addition to the above requirements, you must be able to follow instructions closely and completelyAll contact will be via E-mail – you will not be required to call anyone at anytime. The point behind the “virtual industry” is to cut down on office overheads after all. This allows you to work whichever hours are most convenient for you (days, nights, or weekends). You will need a word processing program in order to perform some tasks successfully (MS Word, Works, Open Office etc.) Once you have received the training materials, you can start working from home today, or where ever you choose to conduct business. Whether you are employed or unemployed you can still apply for this. You can do it part time in the evenings or over weekends or full time. Whatever is convenient to your schedule. To the unemployed this can be something you might consider doing while you are looking for something permanent should you then decide to take a permanent position. That is exactly what I did, I was unemployed and had nothing to do but look for work. R150.00 was something I could afford and I honestly never had to take up any of the positions that I had gone for interviews as this was more than enough income and I have not looked back since. I have been doing this for quite some time now and don’t regret it for a moment. I spend around 7 hours a day (including evenings when my kiddies are sleeping) 5 days a week and make enough money to provide well for my family. I am a mom with children and I am at home with them, comfortable and earning money at the same time. And I don’t have a boss breathing down my neck.THE WORK – You will be processing Email applications, as well as filling out forms in specific company databases (this tends to be tedious at times, so please be sure that you have the patience to do so before proceeding). This is why you will need to have basic Internet knowledge, though the training provided will give you step-by-step instructions on how to perform these tasks properly. You will NOT be cold calling or selling products.There are no “down-times” with this opportunity, so you will have a constant flow of work to complete. However, you are able to take on as much or as little work as you wish.The amount of money you make each week is entirely up to you, and how much time and effort you are willing to put in with this opportunity. The average person makes R 2500 – R 4500 per week, for approx 2-5 hours spent online per day. I cannot stress this enough – No one can stand behind you with a whip and force you to work so we cannot estimate or guarantee what you will earn. This is a exciting opportunity and it is very REAL.The constant influx of work is overwhelming. Once an applicant has registered, they are considered an Independent Processing Operator. You will be given the “tools” in order to function independently. This means that your taxes will not be taken out; therefore, you will not be provided with any tax forms. This is entirely your responsibility. The training provided will go more in depth about what to do with your taxes. THE INCOME – You will receive your pay through EFT’S or direct deposit. When an application is completed successfully, R150.00 will be paid to you on the same day. An application is not complete until you have received payment in other words. Please do not wait for a paycheck at the end of the month – this is not going to happen. You will be paid per application when and if it is completed. The money “trickles” into your account all throughout the monthTHE TRAINING – We require a fee of R150.00 for our training. For two reasons (1) it safeguards us from those applicants who really just want to waste our time by allowing us to set them up, train them and then they conveniently don’t do any work. (2) It covers our admin costs and registration fees. It is non refundable. This line of work is not for everyone, please think carefully before you proceed with your application, we would hate for you to feel out of pocket or done in.Upon completion of your registration and receipt of payment, your profile is forwarded to the training department where they begin the setup process with you.Keep in mind that the sooner you go through the training materials, the sooner you will start earning money. It takes the average applicant a day or so to work through the training manual after which they can start working immediately. I can be contacted via E-mail at any time after you have received your training materials to help you, or answer any questions you may have. If you consider yourself an appropriate candidate meet all the requirements, and are responsible enough to work independently, then please contact me via E-mail and I will send you the relevant registration form so you may get started.Sincerely,Trixtrix.dataentry@vodamail.co.za
PS – There are many IC’s advertising similar positions and who offer the same opportunity. The only two aspects that separate them are the amounts you are charged for your training and the quality of the online support you receive after. Do your homework, apply with a few and see what the general consensus is. Please also be aware of mock companies that emulate what we offer – they ask astronomical amounts (R750-R1500) and then simply vanish. Use your discretion.
This is a very real opportunity to generate cash, while still having the freedom of flexibility, so which ever company you decide to go with I wish you success!”
I have replied to the email, asking for more info about the company. The email comes up as Admin Angels. I assume this si the company name. Has anyone heard of or dealt with this company?
Hi Wawa!!
It is most definately a scam!!!That is my honest oppinion…I was also interrested in that type of thing untill I joined one of those things, paid the R150 and got the training material!!! What a load of BS!!!!! All the training material was, to teach you to place ads and do exactly what that guy was doing!Replicating!Trying to fool people into buying the training material!!!
Rather go for a MLM based company or affiliate marketing!!!At least most(not all) of these companies are legit!
Enjoy!!!
Hi, ive recieved a response from the company in my prevous post. I asked them if there was any company info that i could look up to confirm if this was a legit business and that i was cautious to pay upfront for something that i dont know anything about. I thought id share the email
“…,Due to the nature of the business, being electronically based, I cannot authenticate it. You are very wise to be cautious, we get asked to authenticate this opportunity often (through websites and references). I have thought about it, truth be told, websites (as proof) are useless as they are free and easy to setup and maintain and references can be faked. Even with having said that, if someone really wanted to con you out of your money they would find a way of ensuring everything looks “legit”, same goes for addresses and phone numbers. This business is Email based as it’s the virtual industry. Not exactly very comforting and not many are used to the idea yet.I would hate for you to feel out pocketed by R150.00 and therefore if you are still unsure, I would rather suggest that you do not continue with the registration process. Kindly let me know what you have decided in order for me to either take you off the data base or to start preparing your manual.Kindest RegardsTrix”
Hi,
The above indicates that I have to have a website. How do i go about and what does it cost? I am in desperate need of cash. Someone please assist me.
Thanks
For most ways to make money you need a web site. It should not be so expensive. You can get hosting from as little as R8.95 per month and you can build your own web site using WordPress, it is very easy
Hi Pieter,
Would you be able to assist me please? I am not realy a friendly computer user!
My knowledge regarding websites are limited….
I would appreciate your help.
Thanks
@peter, I can help you with the website at small fees. send me your email address if interested
@Ma3 What is the problem, perhaps I can help you here?
@Web Developer – Same to you, what’s causing you a problem?
I would prefer this information to remain here so that others can learn from it please.
Hey Guys!!!
Thanks Chris for this fantastic thread!!It as taught me ALOT!!!If it wasn’t for this, I would have lost alot of money by now!!!
I have been offered a great opportunity to start a home/internet type business! It is still brand new and will rock your pocket once it gets going!!!
For those of you who know IFA…it’s not that,but it is similar, only the compenstation plan works alot quicker!!! and better!!!
Umm…I don’t think I am allowed to post my e-mail address but lets try… ***
Feel free to ask any questions here on the thread, the e-mail is only to send you a presentation if you want in depth info!
Thanks again Chris!!!
Jacques.
Can’t send you an email – address rejected. Can you send me the info to *** please? Thanks.
Sorry folks, but this isn’t a recruiting thread, so if there are matters to discuss, please let’s discuss them in this thread so everyone can learn from them and share their own experiences.
Thank you :)
Hi Chris
Sorry…kinda knew that was goign to happen! hehehe, if someone wants to contact me, how do we go about organising it?
And guys, if you have any questions regarding Happy Life, please feel free to ask?
The Company is BRAND NEW!!! Full launch will be in Feb2012 fulle registered credit provider and the nitty gritty what-nots that you would want to see in a legitamit business!!
You do need internet access to read the blogs and access application forms, get your training material, which is all available in the back-office!
The founders of the company were former Baltron people, and the then decided to start their own thing!
Oh…It is also a South-African only thing!
Well, how about you tell us more about it – what are the startup costs, what is the earning potential, what skillset is required to make a success?
If it only starts next year, there’s not much investigation that can be done by us, so we hope that you’ll share the information here rather than just linking to websites or pulling people into private conversation. If something’s great, honest and trustworthy, then it’s easy to speak about in an open domain – that’s how I see it at least :)
Hi Chris
I see your point!
The product you are buying into costs you R165 a month, which is quite steep for a MLM-type of business, but then again, you are buying a business so to say. The reason for it being so “expensive” is because of the compensation plan! If I can recall, the compensation plan pays out about 70% of your monthly installment to the members throughout your seven ripples(levels, they kind of re-invented it).
I am not going to go into TOO much detail about the compensation plan as it is quite an intracate system, thats why I recommend you to have a look at the site as they explain it very well. There are bonus rounds and certian achievements that you get the more people you have in your ripples boosting your income even further!
The company’s physical launch is in Feb2012 but you can allready start profiting from the system! Stuff like the back-office and training material in the back-office hasn’t been added yet etc. thats why the launch is only in Feb2012 then all those things will be in place. But people being accustomed to network marketing will not “really” need the training material!
Like I mentioned earlier the product you are buying into is similar to IFA, you buy a funeral plan, accidental death coverage and free KGA assist for the R165p/m and from that your commision is generated per month, leading to a passive income!
You can check out KGA life, the company was started in 1986 mainly providing financial services to pension fund members, and then later in 1999 KGA life was established : Kaapse Groepskema Adviseurs hence “KGA” was born and Happy Life just took some of their products and turned it into a business opportunity!
Like I said, it’s a great opportunity to start at the top ranks of a network marketing company, obviously it’s gonna take time as there is no such thing as get rich quick!!! But the potential is nealry limitless as they do not have a forced system, they only limit you to ripple 7.
HAHAHAHA…this is a long one, if you guys feel that I have missed something or anything let me know!
If it wasn’t for this DATABASE of thoughts and ideas, I’d have been lost in this search for finding an alternative means of income!!!
Thanks guys…awesome, awesome, awesome info!!!
Hi, here is a system which do not have any monthly or joining fees.
You simply buy pre-paid airtime at a discount and sell it again (or get your airtime at a discount)
The name of the web site is http://www.airtime4profit.co.za but at http://www.airtimeagencies.co.za is a better description on how it works.
The company providing the back-end has been around for more than eight years, so they are save to use
@artist – I noted your comment with concern and would appreciate it if you’d send me your affiliate id or even just post it in this thread. I’ll check on your account and confirm your payment status.
We take pride in getting our payments out on time. The only reasons we’d not pay are if 1) the account info is not valid 2) there’s a hold on the account from the advertiser or our compliance team 3)the account has not reached payment threshold.
Please send me the info so we can resolve it asap.
Alternatively, phone us direct on 086 10 36743.
Regards
Jonathan Miller – Director
Thank you for popping in Jonathan.
hi guys
I recently found another affiliate program that could actually work if you have enough visitors to your site. Its called “freebiesms”. You put this little code on your website that enables your visitors to send a free sms to any number they wish. They pay you somthing like R6.50 for every sms that a visitor sends from your site. As yet i havent recieved anything but i will give it a go and see how it works out.
hi Chris
do we have to have a website in order to use trafficsynerg?
Hi Chris
I am searching for a Work From Home opportunity. I am partly Disabled and been seaching the web for something to do. I am not a sales person but I have a Chemistry Background and an MBA. I came across Google Adsense and it appealed to my. I,however have very little knowledge about setting something like that up. My Forte is writing articles, topics vary. What are the costs like to set up something like Googel Adsense and how can one go about it
If you know how to setup a WordPress web site it wont cost you much. You can get hosting from as little as R9.95 per month to host your web site. If you do not know how to create your own web site just search for create your own web site and you will find tutorials and courses on how to do it.
@Athol
Seeing that your forte is writing articles, you could start a blog with blogger from google. Linking this to your adsense account is quite easy and also free. Just make sure you understand googles T’s & C’s as they are very strict. I just received my first cheque for R1000 but my account was then disabled due to encouraging clicks to my ads. I wish you well
Regards
Michael Richards
Hi Chris
I saw that someone on the thread has said that hbiz is a scam.
The website is still up and running so i’m not sure that is it actually a scam or not
Regards
Lucille
@Lucille – I’ve heard really bad things about hbiz, so personally I would stay away from it, regardless of whether the website is up or not, that doesn’t really play any role..
Hi guys.
Do you know anything about Climate World Trade? They want money upfront so I can only guess it’s a scam!
Hi Chris
Nobody that can help me with Climate World Trade? Guess I have to burn my fingers. They asking R120 to join them
Hi Jenni
Never heard of Climate world trade…it just sounds dodgy!!! Umm…will have a look into it and see if I can find anything!
Chris : My previous post on Happy Life, well that’s going absolutely great!!! They are a wonderfull nuch of people running the show and very eager to help new-comers! If you guys want more info check out my Facebook page, just ask and I will answer, or do it on this blog!!! That is why it is here!!!
Happy New year all!!!
Jacques F Du Toit
Hi Jenni
Just had a quick look at CWT, and I am not to keen on importing and exporting stuff…you can make alot of money that way…but I think this is walking on thin ice…My honost oppinion is to stay away(if I am wrong…I humbly appologise)…but if you are willing to risk the R120, and it works, please share!!!
Jacques F Du Toit
I checked out CWT and their concept seems simple. They import various goods. You sell their goods on online auctions sites, they fulfill the orders on your behalf. It does not seem as if there is much risk in that. They also teach you how to sell goods on auction sites and that info you can use to sell anything, not only their products. In my opinion the $15 you have to pay is very little for what they will teach you. In my experience if you offer that information for free 95% of people will just waste your time and nether do anything with it. By charging a small amount for the info you filter out the tyre kickers and have a better chance of working with more serious people.
Jacques.
Can you please tell me where or how to contact you.
Hi Jan
In case you have any questions, feel free to post them here on the blog, so all who are interrested can see what it’s about.
Thanks
Jacques F Du Toit
WARNING: Smart telecoms are selling fax to email websites and then do not deliver. Anybody can get a free fax to email web site, there is no reason to buy one , especially not at the price Philani from Smart Telecoms dot biz are selling it at.
Don’t get caught
Generally there are lots of different suggestions for actively playing although no-one’s hit on a smart way. May be they don’t want to reveal it.
Hi Chris
I can officially say homebizonline or hbizonline is not a scam per say. The wording they use on their website gets you to purchase their products and they do deliver it to you but whether you make money from them is another story.
Personally speaking from experience i have not made 1 cent from anything they recommended and have wasted my money.
So please people don’t purchase products from hbizonline.
Thanks
Lucille
Thank you for letting us know Lucille, that’s exactly why I started this thread! Really sorry to hear that you haven’t made any money :(
Do you know about Easy Formula 4
Success. Is it also scam?
Looks like an awful scam!
Hi Christopher, I want to start the google adsense thing. I need to talk to you privately cos I sure need some help. I’d be very happy if you can mail me. Thanks
Hi Dorothy – Please feel free to ask your questions here as I’m sure there are others who could learn from this..
Yea I can talk here. So I need a website before I sign up for a google Adsense account. And I also need some kind of training on that to be able to add words to my website and all. Can u make a website for and teach me how to make money with it as regards google Adsense?
@Dorothy – My advise would be to teach yourself how to build a website or attend a course that teaches you. The true way to make money online in this direction is to have an understanding of how to make a website. Sure, there are systems like WordPress, BlogSpot and the likes that jump start you into having a website, but if you want my opinion it would be to teach yourself basic HTML and CSS. The mission of creating a website and putting adsense on and such is, unfortunately, not something you can do over night, it’s not a quick process is the slightest.
hi guys
Friendly warning!
Someone earlier asked a question about Climate World Trade on how it is or how they do business and is it worth it paying the registration fee…Well if i can give advise to all the people that will see this post,PLEASE read this post and decide for yourself.
Their concept is great and so easy to use,but their delivery time is very,VERY SLOW! We have started to get orders in and placed it thru the system at CWT,well of the 7 orders we have done so far only 3 was sent out.Our first client is still waiting for his product since the beginning of January!! Don’t know if it is a company or just a very well thought out plan that i suspect one man is handling!
I mean this is bad for business! We started advertising on Bid or Buy and because of the slow delivery we have gotten bad ratings which doesn’t go well with our sales…So i have decide to stop my business with CWT and removed all my ads placed on this matter.
Maybe im the only one,i dont know. But as far as im concerned i wont use them ever again!!
Hi guys
I say Big up to this Blog its been here since 2007, I am a newbiew in this online making money thing, just lost my job in Jan. I am desparately looking for some way to make a decent living online.
I have lost to one scam already, can someone please tell me there’s hope online for newbies like me.
i hear Affiliate marketing is the best way online but i dont have a clue what to do, i cant even build a website.
I hope someone will come to my rescue, I am really prepared to work hard.
Regards
Portia, I am trying for three years now and up to date haven’t made a dime. As a matter of fact I have lost thousands to scams. So, my answer is, if you don’t have a successful website or blog, there’s no way in hell you’re gonna make money online.
Hey Guys, it’s great to check back after so long. @Chris it is really great what you are doing here and I’m a huge fan. @Pieter you are becoming the Robert Kiyosaki of the home based industry because of your willingness to teach us what it is you do. I admire guys like you and hope to one day attain your heights.
Anyway the reason for me writing is to share how my travels on the path to income from home have been going. I have been doing Network Marketing with a company I truly believe in (GNLD international) and here are a few things I have learned over the past 18 – 24 months.
1. It is not easy – the promises of quick and easy wealth are not just a lie, they are a myth. I have since learned that nothing in live worth having is easy.
2. It is lots of fun – the journey is proving to be just as exciting as the destination. I am not yet living all of my dreams, but together with my wife – because we are now in it together as our serious business – I am having a awesome time and making really great friends.
3. It is simple – I used to confuse EASY with SIMPLE but I don’t do that no more. The plan I have to grow my business is simple. It will never be easy because I always have to deal with the ignorance of others to the idea of Network Marketing.
4. It is stretching – My business is forcing me to grow and develop, in the area of my leadership lid and attitude because for my business to grow I must grow. As a result it is creating huge positives in the other areas of my life.
If anyone is looking for a means to create extra cash from home I would recommend Network Marketing. I have created a blog for my Network Marketing business – a word press subdomain – where I experiment with being a web developer.
I’m now a Network Marketing FAN.
I don’t believe in any online make easy money. I believe in myself, i took twenty years of qualifications and experience combined it and came up with a winning concept.
greatings
Thys
@Thys Please share your winning concept with us so that we can all have a closer look at it…
@Thys – It would be appreciated if you shared some of your tips and tricks here for everyone to learn from.
Hi Chris
Like i said, twenty years experience. All my life i was used to work with my hands and little with my brains. Companies like YSCOR,NISSAN BMW and a view others. Then i hurt my neck during a crush. So i came up with the following.I know cars inside out,i know furniture and i have a decorative nag in me.So combine it all and i started Elthy designs, with just R 6000.00 IN MY WALLET
Congratulations Thys, that’s really inspirational and I wish you all the best with the future!
What about just making $10 per day online. Nothing great. How?