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	<title>Comments on: Facebook on your iPhone</title>
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	<description>Cape Town blog by Chris M</description>
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		<title>By: tim upton</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-13112</link>
		<dc:creator>tim upton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we can only agree that iphones are here to stay as its the communication tool of the future, i spend hours on my iphone doing research and i suppose the word is search, enjoy the future and what it holds, we have amazing technology to help the crime in south africa and launching in the next month, we have made it mlm so everyone can get involved and help with crime while earning a passive income, you welcome to call tim upton on 0722881090</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we can only agree that iphones are here to stay as its the communication tool of the future, i spend hours on my iphone doing research and i suppose the word is search, enjoy the future and what it holds, we have amazing technology to help the crime in south africa and launching in the next month, we have made it mlm so everyone can get involved and help with crime while earning a passive income, you welcome to call tim upton on 0722881090</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7941</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ye mate, it&#039;s stupid and ignorant. The funny thing is, people are so fast to complain about so much, yet we land in a situation where bread is 10bux, as you said :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ye mate, it&#8217;s stupid and ignorant. The funny thing is, people are so fast to complain about so much, yet we land in a situation where bread is 10bux, as you said :/</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Seifart</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7939</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Seifart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris ... what is even more crazy is that people pay those prices! It&#039;s a classic South African syndrome ... most people are raised to think it&#039;s wrong to question the price of things...

We just pay. Retailers know this. So they just keep putting up the price. We&#039;re paying R10 a loaf of bread now, for heavens sake ... why? Because people will pay it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8230; what is even more crazy is that people pay those prices! It&#8217;s a classic South African syndrome &#8230; most people are raised to think it&#8217;s wrong to question the price of things&#8230;</p>
<p>We just pay. Retailers know this. So they just keep putting up the price. We&#8217;re paying R10 a loaf of bread now, for heavens sake &#8230; why? Because people will pay it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7936</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe a mobile device would retail for R9k, that&#039;s completely crazy! I doubt it would ever go for that price, I was thinking more around the 4k mark..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe a mobile device would retail for R9k, that&#8217;s completely crazy! I doubt it would ever go for that price, I was thinking more around the 4k mark..</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Seifart</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7934</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Seifart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - a lot of posts while I was asleep.

If you buy the Nokia N95, any of the blackberrys or the HTCs from Vodacom you&#039;re looking at $1000+ ... If Vodacom priced the iPhone in at $200 or so ... it would outstrip the demand for the others ... but there&#039;s something else we have failed to consider: South African Customs.

I imported my iPhone ...

Base Cost = $400
Shipping = $100 (including the Insurance)
VAT = $80 (20% on imported electronic goods!)
Customs Duty = $200 (50% on imported electronic goods)

It took the price up to $780 (R6250). This is still cheaper than the R9000, but then I also had to deal with the schlep of jailbreaking the thing. And it has no guarantee on it. Vodacom will have to support the iPhone, provide it&#039;s guarantees, etc.

The hacked-iPhone market in SA are all selling the phones in the region of R8500+ ... some of them at R10 000.

I suppose, on contract it&#039;ll go for R2400 with a fixed 24 month contract ... and probably one of the business or talk contracts...definitely not the weekender.

Then again, I suppose we&#039;re all speculating!

T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; a lot of posts while I was asleep.</p>
<p>If you buy the Nokia N95, any of the blackberrys or the HTCs from Vodacom you&#8217;re looking at $1000+ &#8230; If Vodacom priced the iPhone in at $200 or so &#8230; it would outstrip the demand for the others &#8230; but there&#8217;s something else we have failed to consider: South African Customs.</p>
<p>I imported my iPhone &#8230;</p>
<p>Base Cost = $400<br />
Shipping = $100 (including the Insurance)<br />
VAT = $80 (20% on imported electronic goods!)<br />
Customs Duty = $200 (50% on imported electronic goods)</p>
<p>It took the price up to $780 (R6250). This is still cheaper than the R9000, but then I also had to deal with the schlep of jailbreaking the thing. And it has no guarantee on it. Vodacom will have to support the iPhone, provide it&#8217;s guarantees, etc.</p>
<p>The hacked-iPhone market in SA are all selling the phones in the region of R8500+ &#8230; some of them at R10 000.</p>
<p>I suppose, on contract it&#8217;ll go for R2400 with a fixed 24 month contract &#8230; and probably one of the business or talk contracts&#8230;definitely not the weekender.</p>
<p>Then again, I suppose we&#8217;re all speculating!</p>
<p>T</p>
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		<title>By: Wogan May</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7933</link>
		<dc:creator>Wogan May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben South African corporations aren&#039;t known for logic (MWeb being my case in point).

The subsidy-exposure thing only reveals the amount that consumers are saving on a contract vs. the cash price of the phone. Since Vodacom is the only point of entry for the iPhone in SA, they&#039;ll be allowed to set the price at anything they want, and there&#039;ll be no competition. I&#039;m betting it&#039;ll be enough to sell the iPhone to the people that really want it and can afford it, but not a cent less.

While Apple might be on a penetration drive, Vodacom probably only wants to make as much profit as possible - if that involves hiking the price by 350%, but only losing 25% of their customer base, they&#039;ll see it as a prudent course of action. That&#039;s the language of the bottom line - the only language South African businesses seem to understand.

~ Wogan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben South African corporations aren&#8217;t known for logic (MWeb being my case in point).</p>
<p>The subsidy-exposure thing only reveals the amount that consumers are saving on a contract vs. the cash price of the phone. Since Vodacom is the only point of entry for the iPhone in SA, they&#8217;ll be allowed to set the price at anything they want, and there&#8217;ll be no competition. I&#8217;m betting it&#8217;ll be enough to sell the iPhone to the people that really want it and can afford it, but not a cent less.</p>
<p>While Apple might be on a penetration drive, Vodacom probably only wants to make as much profit as possible &#8211; if that involves hiking the price by 350%, but only losing 25% of their customer base, they&#8217;ll see it as a prudent course of action. That&#8217;s the language of the bottom line &#8211; the only language South African businesses seem to understand.</p>
<p>~ Wogan</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7932</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wogan I just don&#039;t see the logic of getting the hottest product on the planet and then pricing it so that only a small part of the market can afford it.

They might do the R9000 thing just to push people towards contracts but I don&#039;t think that would happen, especially considering that their pre-order site specifically welcomes all comers.

I think they want to do volume on this rather than bleed a few customers. 

This is the device that will do for consumers what the blackberry has done for business.

Also in August when they have to start publicising exactly what the subsidy is for the contract users any raping of the market will be exposed and I don&#039;t think they would really want that bad publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wogan I just don&#8217;t see the logic of getting the hottest product on the planet and then pricing it so that only a small part of the market can afford it.</p>
<p>They might do the R9000 thing just to push people towards contracts but I don&#8217;t think that would happen, especially considering that their pre-order site specifically welcomes all comers.</p>
<p>I think they want to do volume on this rather than bleed a few customers. </p>
<p>This is the device that will do for consumers what the blackberry has done for business.</p>
<p>Also in August when they have to start publicising exactly what the subsidy is for the contract users any raping of the market will be exposed and I don&#8217;t think they would really want that bad publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Wogan May</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7931</link>
		<dc:creator>Wogan May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ben You do of course realise that Vodacom and Vodafone are entirely seperate entities, and that Vodacom will be very interested in making as much money as possible from the iPhone? It&#039;s not often that they get an item as hot as the iPhone passing through their distribution network, while being allowed to set their own prices on it.

Given how the iPhone compares featurewise to other phones of its class, and given the fact that South African consumers generally want to be treated like mindless sheep and don&#039;t mind paying exorbitant prices for things like phone plans and internet access, do you HONESTLY think that Vodacom is going to pass up this opportunity to rake in the dough?

They&#039;ll be looking to pocket at LEAST R7500 per phone, which is what they would be retailing for if Apple wasn&#039;t on it&#039;s market-penetration pricing drive. This means that the prepaid versions would cost around R8500 once-off, and the plans would value in at maybe R10&#039;000 for the basic package (which will be a 3G plan, no doubt, and those are expensive already).

Get real? We ARE getting real here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ben You do of course realise that Vodacom and Vodafone are entirely seperate entities, and that Vodacom will be very interested in making as much money as possible from the iPhone? It&#8217;s not often that they get an item as hot as the iPhone passing through their distribution network, while being allowed to set their own prices on it.</p>
<p>Given how the iPhone compares featurewise to other phones of its class, and given the fact that South African consumers generally want to be treated like mindless sheep and don&#8217;t mind paying exorbitant prices for things like phone plans and internet access, do you HONESTLY think that Vodacom is going to pass up this opportunity to rake in the dough?</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll be looking to pocket at LEAST R7500 per phone, which is what they would be retailing for if Apple wasn&#8217;t on it&#8217;s market-penetration pricing drive. This means that the prepaid versions would cost around R8500 once-off, and the plans would value in at maybe R10&#8217;000 for the basic package (which will be a 3G plan, no doubt, and those are expensive already).</p>
<p>Get real? We ARE getting real here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7930</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 05:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it will be R9000. COnsider that the unlocked version will sell in Europe for 500 Euros. R6200.
This is a much closer ballpark.

Vodacom are not in the business of selling phojnes they are in the business of selling airtime, why would they want to encourage people to buy a phone from them that wasn&#039;t tied to a plan and could also be used on MTN or Cell C(although why anyone would want to do that is beyond me).

Get real people. A pre-paid phone will be expensive and there will be big subsidies for those taking out the iPhone plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it will be R9000. COnsider that the unlocked version will sell in Europe for 500 Euros. R6200.<br />
This is a much closer ballpark.</p>
<p>Vodacom are not in the business of selling phojnes they are in the business of selling airtime, why would they want to encourage people to buy a phone from them that wasn&#8217;t tied to a plan and could also be used on MTN or Cell C(although why anyone would want to do that is beyond me).</p>
<p>Get real people. A pre-paid phone will be expensive and there will be big subsidies for those taking out the iPhone plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Wogan May</title>
		<link>http://www.imod.co.za/2008/06/22/facebook-on-your-iphone/#comment-7928</link>
		<dc:creator>Wogan May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R9000 is US$1200! That&#039;s &lt;em&gt;insane!&lt;/em&gt;. That&#039;s daylight rapery, dammit. If I wanted the iPhone that badly, I would have one of my overseas friends buy one and FedEx it here and bear the brunt of the import taxes myself, thankyouverymuch.

Well, added to &lt;a href=&quot;http://woganmay.com/2008/06/23/iphone-early-speculation-worth-the-wait/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my other reasons&lt;/a&gt;, I guess I just won&#039;t be getting me an iPhone. Not if they roll out with prices like that, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R9000 is US$1200! That&#8217;s <em>insane!</em>. That&#8217;s daylight rapery, dammit. If I wanted the iPhone that badly, I would have one of my overseas friends buy one and FedEx it here and bear the brunt of the import taxes myself, thankyouverymuch.</p>
<p>Well, added to <a href="http://woganmay.com/2008/06/23/iphone-early-speculation-worth-the-wait/" rel="nofollow">my other reasons</a>, I guess I just won&#8217;t be getting me an iPhone. Not if they roll out with prices like that, thanks.</p>
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